Fantastic Four spoilers: was Sue Storm this strong in the comics?
I know she’s strong, but was she ever capable of this kind of power, of actually pushing Galactus around in the 616 universe?
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Semi-Nerdy2025-10-05 16:57
They nerfed her for the movie
Whatsinanmame2025-10-05 16:59
This
MatthiasKrios2025-10-05 17:00
Wow really. We're talking standard power levels or during times when she was enhanced?
UnfavorableSpiderFan2025-10-05 17:03
She's never been enhanced, she's always been capable. She just keeps pushing her limits and learning how to use her powers in new, creative ways.
Sue Storm is the team's powerhouse.
DistillerCMac2025-10-05 17:10
You could say she is the mitochondria of the team.
WollyGog2025-10-05 17:16
Works even better as a meme when mitochondrial DNA is passed down through the female line.
MarvelBoy87322025-10-05 17:17
In the comics she is easily able to hold her own against and beat Celestials, Galactus, Thor, Hulk and Doctor Doom.
quinpon64337_x2025-10-05 17:18
Damn why’d they all team up against her
MarvelBoy87322025-10-05 17:20
My bad. I didn't mean she 1v7 all of them.
I meant she has fought against them and sometimes won against in 1v1s
N8CCRG2025-10-05 17:33
She bought the wrong Fruit Roll-Ups
ImaginairyCloud2025-10-05 17:27
Honestly your whole posts and this reply\* you make me feel like you wanted everyone to call her strength untrue, fake or manufactured in some way. really odd to me
Live_Angle46212025-10-05 17:30
Doesn’t he have just one comment in this thread
ImaginairyCloud2025-10-05 17:42
happy?
skill13582025-10-05 17:48
I can guarantee it's entirely in your mind.
Bigpappa362025-10-05 17:41
The 2022 comic run I’m reading now she blocked the sunlight for 18 hours a day for 3 days to stop this bacteria from growing
Shwifty_Plumbus2025-10-05 17:49
She can do some crazy shit in the comics. A low level feat is putting a forcefield in your head and expanding it until your head explodes.
Usual-Caregiver55892025-10-05 17:27
They kind of nerfed the whole team. Making Reed succumb to physics to make sure his stretchiness is *realistic* is wild. Johnny couldn't stay Flamed On in space because theres no oxygen to burn. The Thing has to do "facial hair" maintenance because reasons, but the hair on top of his head doesn't grow, nor does he have just random growths anywhere else.
AlgerianTrash2025-10-05 17:31
I feel like all of the team had reasonable power limits and strengths compared to their comics counterparts, except for Reed, they dramatically nerfed both his limits and creativity
axebodyspraytester2025-10-05 17:52
You should see his bush. Just a boulder sitting on top of his rocky pickle and smaller boulders.
Romnonaldao2025-10-05 17:00
Yes. You know that meme where they show a full team of characters and they are at 100% power, then they take away all of the team except one and the team is at 99% power? That's Sue Storm, and we're talking about the fantastic four here.
RazzDaNinja2025-10-05 17:57
Sue is unironically a more dangerous threat than the other 3 combined in terms of raw power
And this is while she is on a team with someone that can turn into a miniature Sun
Romnonaldao2025-10-05 18:02
And a guy who is a peer in strength with the Hulk
And a guy who is so smart it registers in other dimensions
ccReptilelord2025-10-05 18:22
I think the irony is that the strong man is the weakest.
SMRAintBad2025-10-06 00:34
He’s definitely the all rounder of the team. Durable, strong, and full of heart.
KouNurasaka2025-10-06 01:03
It's more that Thing is very one deminnsional in terms of his powers. Hes strong and durable.
The other 3 members of the F4 have far more versatility in how they can leverage their powers.
Im_FunnyWasTaken2025-10-05 19:39
You could honestly do that with Franklin as well(even though he's not an official member)
Romnonaldao2025-10-05 19:45
That's more all of humanity with Franklin is 100%, and then you take away humanity and leave Franklin and it's still 100%
CaptHayfever2025-10-06 04:28
Franklin is nigh-omnipotent; that doesn't count.
Meizas2025-10-05 17:00
Yes.
onionleekdude2025-10-05 17:01
She's easily the most powerful of the group.
Like /u/Semi-Nerdy said, the film nerfed her.
ImHighandCaffinated2025-10-05 17:31
The film nerfed Mister Fantastic too :(
AlgerianTrash2025-10-05 17:33
My problem with Reed in the movie isn't that they nerfed his limits, but they also dramatically nerfed his creativity
What made Reed so interesting, among other things, is how he'd infuse his intellect into his powers to do crazy stuff with his body. In the movie, they turned him into a stretchy Spider-Man
robodrew2025-10-05 18:01
I have faith in the Russo Brothers and Stephen McFeely to give us more of this kind of thing in Doomsday or Secret Wars. They gave us a lot of creativity with Dr Strange using his powers in Infinity War, for example.
WeeTooLo2025-10-05 19:16
>They gave us a lot of creativity with Dr Strange using his powers in Infinity War, for example.
Yeah for 1 minute. Then he was reduced to being a human water dam in the final battle. At best Reed will have one airbag moment. They're all affraid of him stretching around because it looks goofy and they're all so obsessed with everyone being more "grounded".
TrickshotzReddit2025-10-05 19:28
The difference here is that Reed is one of the main protagonists of Doomsday and SW, Strange was not
CT-10302025-10-05 19:56
Strange was clearly one of the protagonists of Infinity War.
Salvage5702025-10-05 21:02
The water thing was Endgame. Strange was cool for basically all of Infinity war
lance8452025-10-05 22:02
Water daming was Endgame. Infinity War had the entire duel between strange and thanos where strange really got to do a ton of wild things and was way better than fire cracker kung fu versus ghost knives.
GorillazWelfare2025-10-05 18:02
Something i hope Marvel takes into account after Gunn’s Superman: it’s ok to be wacky, it’s part of what makes comic book movies what they are. They played it too safe with Reed.
AlgerianTrash2025-10-05 18:07
Yeah, and the problem is the fact that MCU fans in this subreddit actually argue in favor of nerfing Reed's powers because otherwise, "it would look too goofy". It's such a lame excuse that sucks all the excitement out of the CBM genre
Who would even look at the guy with stretchy powers amd complain that he looks "goofy"
Chiubacca03112025-10-05 19:04
It’s kinda crazy that Marvel is now the franchise that should learn from DC when it’s mostly the other way around for a long time
Lukecubes2025-10-05 19:19
It's really just that James Gunn is good at making superhero movies lmao
_IratePirate_2025-10-05 18:49
I saw a clip of the director of the movie saying he wanted Mr. Fantastic to feel plausible so there is no generation of flesh or fabric when he stretches, which is why his stretching seems so limited in the movie
I bet the next time we see Reed, he’ll be directed by a non over thinking director and we’ll see him stretch like he’s supposed to
Zabbla2025-10-05 18:55
So it's fine for Sue to turn her clothing invisible and Johnny to set them on fire without burning them but stretching them is too much?
_IratePirate_2025-10-05 18:57
Hey man, don’t shoot the messenger. That’s what the director said
I’m more than willing to suspend my belief for super hero movies, so to me, I don’t like that decision either
Zabbla2025-10-05 19:52
Sorry my bad, what I said was directed at the directors comments not you
hercarmstrong2025-10-05 19:04
Reed's clothes are unstable molecules in the comics, so the stretching isn't an issue.
PhantomRoyce2025-10-05 18:57
I would have loved to see him doing some crazy multi tasking by stretching himself around the lab
dean158922025-10-05 19:24
There was a scene towards the end, where Reed was grabbing franklin Jr and holding onto him and swinging.
And in my head, I thought, Reed would stretch his chest to make a baby strap-on case ( you know,the ones that moms use to strap their kids to their chest).
He would literally envelope Franlin Jr like a kangaroo and then back to fighting..
Seems weird taht he was not doing this
Jimmy-Mac-4712025-10-05 18:01
I mean, just because we haven’t seen them at full power yet doesn’t mean they haven’t more in them. Plus the comics often blow power scaling to ridiculous lengths, pretty much every movie has pulled back on their characters a tad
aPerfectBacon2025-10-05 18:57
also its the first movie? if we get shown them doing super badass non-“nerfed” things, then where do they take it in sequels or for team up movies?
there has to be build up, to make the big moments really feel special
searcher44212025-10-05 18:28
Maybe we’ll get to see the full extent of just how powerful she truly is when they get to Earth-616, maybe her AND Reed will show off more of what they can do.
Can’t she use her powers to levitate, if not full on fly?
FriendLee932025-10-05 17:01
She's a lot stronger than that in the comics. Sue's versatility and control of her powers makes her arguably the most deadly member of the Four; She's only held back by her personal unwillingness to kill.
outride20002025-10-05 17:14
Yep. If Sue can figure out where the brain is, she can pop it with a forcefield bubble.
FriendLee932025-10-05 17:16
She doesn't even have to pop it. She can throw a tiny bubble in someone's skull and kill them via aneurysm.
chomperstyle2025-10-05 19:14
Or just launch one like a bullet
transmogrify2025-10-05 17:40
[She can cube someone?](https://youtu.be/plfivKFI-Dw?si=z2YMrPCofUa5xpve)
cmnights2025-10-05 19:44
in mcu, i guess multiverse of madness is one of the few times that show scary someone's powers can be if they really wanted to just kill you on the spot instantly. wanda just popped someone's brain and exploded? someone by thinking about it.
199Eight2025-10-05 19:52
She took away Black Bolt's mouth which made him yell in a panic and it got trapped, popping his head from the inside with nowhere to go. Wanda probably could've done that, but she thought it'd be fun as a cruel joke if Black Bolt did it to himself.
cmnights2025-10-05 21:18
oh shit. after rewatching it, she did explode mr fantastic
usedupalltheglue2025-10-05 17:21
She was ready for the Silver Surfer to die.
goddoc2025-10-05 18:22
"Johnny! Kill her!"
Renax1272025-10-05 18:32
When it comes to family mama ain't going screw around.
ImaginairyCloud2025-10-05 17:24
I cam here to say this. She is far stronger in the comics
Dr_Reaktor2025-10-05 17:29
That goes for most heroes in movies
RedHammer14412025-10-05 18:16
RIP Hulk
Dangerman13372025-10-05 22:56
MCU Hulk is so freaking weak 💀.
ItJermy2025-10-05 23:56
He can effortlessly toss a 1 ton stone into orbit. He is not weak, your perception of strength is distorted by scale.
TheDungeonCrawler2025-10-06 01:36
He is weaker in the films than the comics but you're right. He's by no means weak. He's just held back in the earlier films by being an uncontrollable rage monster when he fights (maybe he can be aimed sometimes) and in the same film he becomes controllable he's also nerfed by the Infinity Gauntlet before any major fighting can happen. He's been nerfed by the gauntlet since, but hopefully that will have changed in Brand New Day.
Pizzadvice2025-10-06 06:53
I think he was fine in She-Hulk even before he went off and raised a family.
nate_ranney2025-10-06 01:20
We talking about the guy that casually tossed a boulder into orbit to flex on his cousin while in his controlled state?
dragn992025-10-06 02:50
Compared to comic Hulk? Yeah.
It's kinda necessary though. Comic characters get so ridiculous at their peak moments, you sort of have to scale things back and bring everyone a little closer for continuity sake.
Trvr_MKA2025-10-05 20:08
Except Captain Marvel for a bit
Timelymanner2025-10-05 20:36
Not quite, but when some Marvel characters have been around for 80-60 years, most of their power sets have been full explored by many writers/artist. So characters who seemed weak at first, actually have pretty bonkers powers.
For Sue it’s her ability to make near invincible force field with her mind. When used offensively she’s a Green Lantern without the battery restriction, emotional requirements, and all her constructs are invisible to her enemies.
lemonylol2025-10-05 18:38
Pretty much every single character in the MCU is.
HyperFunk_Zone2025-10-05 19:10
I wonder about Cap though
lemonylol2025-10-05 19:28
Read Secret Empire
johnla2025-10-06 03:32
I think the older the character, the more stories and basically writer’s will always one-up each story and we can cherry pick instances of each character doing world breaking feats of power.
nox_tech2025-10-05 17:28
Lady handled Earth's politics and demilitarized the *world* in the MCU talking everything out.
Speak softly, and carry a big stick, they say.
I wonder if the humans on their Earth even knew the capabilities of the big, invisible stick she carries.
Good_old_Marshmallow2025-10-05 17:49
I really loved how in First Steps they showed the broader world impact of heroes.
One issue I have with iron man in the MCU is like, supposedly he has created nano tech, AI, given New York renewable energy, and has pocket sized fusion power, but the technology and transportation of the world is still exactly the same as ours.
The F4 convince the entire world to demilitarize because they can ensure peace, they take out all of New Yorks criminals in a day, they convince the entire world to do a massive energy product, all because they’ve won the worlds trust after saving it so many times. In contrast The Falcon gets denied a bank loan after saving half the known universe.
NepFurrow2025-10-05 18:02
Eh, technology takes a long time to filter down and be mass produced. I feel like the Spiderman movies do a good job of showing the trickle down of technology. It was maybe Far From Home where some common ATM thieves had some pretty crazy anti gravity tech. Also it's not like the heroes are going to talk about their super cheap electric bill.
Falcon getting denied a bank loan is wild though.
trev17762025-10-05 18:07
To be fair on the bank loan, he’s effectively an unemployed man with 0 income since stark isn’t around to fund/pay the avengers, though I’d like to imagine Pepper would be more than happy to keep everyone afloat.
I believe he also mentions not wanting to leverage his status as Falcon wanting to save the boat the right way. If he really wanted to he could’ve escalated to a bank manager or something who would’ve given him the loan in exchange for publicity
AdmiralCharleston2025-10-05 18:02
I mean we also live in a world where we fully have the resources and understanding to provide clean water to third world countries and drastically address poverty, we just don't
burywmore2025-10-05 19:19
How do we drastically address poverty?
ArabianAftershock2025-10-05 19:29
regulation and taxes on the entities that are amassing higher and higher wealth ceilings while the average american household loses more and more buying power each year
You're on r/MarvelStudios so that's as far as this discussion is probably gonna go tbh
burywmore2025-10-05 19:41
>You're on r/MarvelStudios so that's as far as this discussion is probably gonna go tbh
Good point.
AdmiralCharleston2025-10-05 19:41
Actually tax the rich, invest in social housing, eliminate tax shelters, stop being held hostage by the ultra wealthy etc etc.
The existence of billionaires while people starve is an abhorrence
robot-raccoon2025-10-05 20:17
Musk hit 500 billion the past couple weeks, he alone could solve world hunger a few times over before it would make a substantial hit to himself.
But he won’t.
metasophie2025-10-05 21:05
If you provide things like cheap and plentiful electricity combined with universal healthcare and education, poverty would be greatly diminished.
Rising-Jay2025-10-05 18:07
There’s a pretty _known_ reason for how Sam & his sister got treated at that bank, which i see the writing was attempting to play up throughout that whole series.
It’s kind of a whole thing with comic stuff even outside of Marvel where the needle can’t be pushed _too_ far outside of where the real world has progressed because stories they may want to adapt are contingent on things that still haven’t been solved IRL. Willing to bet the F4 are gonna be starting from zero & that’ll be a major sticking point in whatever sequel they get as well as whatever the plans are for mutants.
natayaway2025-10-05 20:09
“can’t be pushed too far”
Comics have been punching Hitler in the face since the 1940s, there’s nothing they’re not allowed to do in terms of pushing the envelope. And for specific situations of racism or systemic exploitation, those storylines are perpetually available to comics and movies because they will pretty much always be ongoing. They aren’t “solved” so therefore they’re always available to allegory. Creators don’t need to show any restraint on that front. Just think of how many sitcoms and police dramas throw in a blatant obvious racism episode that ends in a feelgood moment.
X-Men is still timeless minus Magneto’s backstory as a WWII holocaust survivor.
ZimmyForever2025-10-06 03:42
By pushed too far he more means advancements that remove the challenges, some aspects may be evergreen like you’ve said whilst others simply shouldn’t exist as practical concerns, gutting the potential storyline.
However in a world that has an easy affordable cure for cancer, can you create Breaking Bad?
Rising-Jay2025-10-06 04:22
Yeah more so meant like this. Stuff like the cradle Helen Cho made or Tony developing “pocket sized fusion” should realistically solve so many issues, especially considering we’re past the point he made in Iron Man 2 of folks being too far off from being able to develop that stuff like him
CaptHayfever2025-10-06 04:21
Cap could punch Hitler in the face, but he couldn't actually end WWII until the war ended IRL.
ANGLVD3TH2025-10-05 19:37
Which is amusing because there is a whole trope about this from the comics called [Reed Richards is Useless](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ReedRichardsIsUseless). He is the smartest man on Earth canonically, and has such an insane variety of one-off super tech gadgets that could cure so many global issues that all just get used to deal with a single villain once and disappear. The usual handwavium is the tech is too dangerous to let fall into the wrong hands and so the inventors keep it close to the vest. It is often slowly integrated piece by piece, ensuring that it is safe, and not going to adversely affect economies, etc. Lots of real life tech advancements that make it into the comics are explained as watered down versions of old super tech, pretty sure Stark invented the smartphone in the comics, for example.
neogeoman1232025-10-05 19:55
>One issue I have with iron man in the MCU is like, supposedly he has created nano tech, AI, given New York renewable energy, and has pocket sized fusion power, but the technology and transportation of the world is still exactly the same as ours.
Have you watched ironheart? I'd really recommend it if you are looking for exactly this
MajorNoodles2025-10-05 23:14
Nick Fury has a flying *Chevy Tahoe* and at no point in the MCU do we ever see someone in a flying car. Not even in the movie with the flying Chevy Tahoe.
CaptHayfever2025-10-06 04:23
> at no point in the MCU do we ever see someone in a flying car.
Her name is Lola.
ZealousidealEbb40712025-10-05 17:52
Yeap, Reed is smartest, Thing most endurable (physically AND mentally — and that’s why I love his voice and demeanor in new movie), Sue most powerfull, and Johnny most charisma.
Nijindia182025-10-05 18:36
Thing is most depressed
The5Virtues2025-10-05 18:57
Yeah, Sue is one of those heroes who really epitomizes “You only live because I allow it” when it comes to throwdowns with villains. Even ignoring all the ways she could block arteries, suffocate, etc. if she wanted she could literally just Trash Compact anyone she encountered.
Sue’s powers in the hands of anyone less ethical are terrifying.
burywmore2025-10-05 19:18
She has never been shown to be able to push Galactus a couple of blocks, against his will.
LegendaryOutlaw2025-10-05 20:45
There’s a deleted scene in first steps where she’s trading verbal jabs with mole man and she basically says ‘I could put a little force field in your brain and cause an aneurism to kill you instantly…but I’m not going to do that.’
Salvage5702025-10-05 21:01
I remember she once got pissed and just cut an entire vertical cylinder through every floor of the baxter building
Dave_B0012025-10-05 22:28
Galactus is also far stronger in the comics. All we really got of him was his big size.
Extreme_Sherbert23442025-10-05 17:02
When I watched the movie,, she seemed to use her force field like a telekinetic power (moving stuff around, pushing, etc.).
threemo2025-10-05 17:06
Very astute, I only noticed this on my third watch
MasterAnnatar2025-10-05 17:17
It's a major plot point, how did it take you 3 watches?
threemo2025-10-05 17:18
Probably because I’m roasting op
vinnybawbaw2025-10-05 17:03
She’s actually stronger than that.
Foostini2025-10-05 17:04
In theory, yeah. As far as i'm aware the comics acknowledge Sue has insane potential but has never really pushed her powers to their limit, which are only really limited by her imagination, but even as she is now her force fields are durable enough to tank shots from Galactus and Mad Celestials so i definitely wouldn't say it's impossible.
Like, it's rarely addressed but Sue is the team's heaviest hitter by a long shot.
_jackychain2025-10-05 17:04
Idk I wish they utilized her more like they did in the cartoons (like EMH and the other good ones), they basically made her Wanda with clear/rainbow powers
El_Quetzal2025-10-05 17:05
Everyone as strong or even stronger in the comics
ShamrockHammer2025-10-05 17:06
Fucking with Susan Storm Reed is a bad idea on any given day....fucking with her family is signing your death certificate.
MuayThaiJudo2025-10-05 17:08
Mommy soloed Eternals.
devoid01012025-10-05 17:08
Nerfed? She beat Galactus. She was extremely powerful in the film. And, they need to leave space for her story arc to go even further.
Holiday-Doughnut-3642025-10-05 17:54
Exactly and while pregnant she thrashed Silver Silver around in the escape scene. Yes she is stronger in the comics but this film showed her as incredibly strong. Why is everyone moaning about her "nerf" like she didn't do anything?
Foostini2025-10-05 18:04
I think y'all are misunderstanding, i don't think anyone is saying she isn't powerful in the movie and certainly no one's saying she didn't do anything, they're using the word as an example or a sorta comparison. They're saying "she's so much more incredibly powerful in the comics that the movie comes across like a nerf" as an answer to OPs question.
Competitive_Side63012025-10-05 19:25
>She beat Galactus
Did we watch the same movie?
vim_deezel2025-10-05 21:16
Yeah galactus was the one who was severely nerfed lol, Sue was only a bit nerfed, she's quite a bit more powerful in the comics depending on the writer and phase of the moon
JoshTHX2025-10-05 17:08
As mentioned already, Sue Storm is damn powerful
NowWeGetSerious2025-10-05 17:08
Hell, she's stronger then in the film. She's the strongest of the team, by far
REiiGN2025-10-05 17:11
Think of it like this. If she was in the Boys and she didn't care about killing, Homelander would be dead and it wouldn't be a fight.
Some_Stranger_83142025-10-05 17:37
Best explanation
ItchyEconomics90112025-10-05 20:16
I mean homelander is pretty fucking weak if you compare him to other heroes.
REiiGN2025-10-05 20:44
The comparison was just for if she lived in the Boys world, and lost all empathy. To which, in the Boys universe Homelander is very high up there as far as their strongest powered humans.
ItchyEconomics90112025-10-05 23:52
Yeah but my response is that pretty much all of the non street level marvel superheroes would probably wipe the floor of homelander
wonkothesane132025-10-06 02:23
That's because Homelander is a cocky narcissist that never had to learn how to actually fight, a single eyebeam or heart punch is enough to dispatch of any of his enemies. Even though his power set is pretty much the same as Superman, Superman would wipe the floor with him, because Superman has actually faced enemies that challeged him and pushed him to learn how to fight strategically.
ItchyEconomics90112025-10-06 02:44
Superman wouldn't get scratched with a metal straw
CaptHayfever2025-10-06 04:26
I remember somebody tried to ask "could Superman & Omniman combined take on Homelander?" & it felt like before they'd even finished typing the question, there were 187 replies--including from The Boys fans--explaining that *either* Superman *or* Omniman could SOLO Homelander into a stain on the pavement.
ItchyEconomics90112025-10-06 04:45
Yeah I like The Boys. I'm enjoying gen v more than the last few seasons of the boys.
But yeah their in universe superheroes are really meant to be a less op and more grounded commentary of superhero media. They're kinda becoming what they set out to satirize though.
lobonmc2025-10-05 20:38
I mean that's underselling her she could do the same in invincible and that's still far from her peak. She has actually damaged galactus in the comics
TGB_Skeletor2025-10-05 17:13
If anything, she's stronger in the comics
Are_Turmeric2025-10-05 17:16
I mean they're all nerfed for them to be more grounded, but Sue Storm is easily the most powerful in F4.
MasterAnnatar2025-10-05 17:16
Sue is literally one of the most broken characters in Marvel comics. If she was evil she could kill basically any Avenger with few exceptions. She could literally just put a small forcefield in the brain and then expand it to give them an aneurysm or put a forcefield around their head to cut off their oxygen supply.
evapotranspire2025-10-05 17:18
What do you mean by "broken"?
FriendLee932025-10-05 17:23
Basically that her powers are, essentially, limitless. If Sue can imagine it, she can do it, it just might take a little extra effort.
evapotranspire2025-10-05 17:25
I've never heard the word "broken" used as a synonym for "omnipotent." Is that gaming lingo or something?
FriendLee932025-10-05 17:26
>Is that gaming lingo or something?
I believe so. Basically like saying a character needs to be nerfed in a game because their power set is too unfair.
thebritishcog2025-10-05 17:29
yep gaming lingo, refers to when a certain set of skills or weapon someone has obtained is so good that it shouldn't probably be in the game / wasn't an intended feature so they call it broken. As if they broke the "rules or laws" of the game by using the overpowered item or skill and therefore making the game unfair/ unbalanced.
evapotranspire2025-10-05 17:55
Ah ok, thank you. I'm not a gamer and this isn't a gaming forum - I wish Redditors didn't have a habit of downvoting straightforward questions!
pan6662025-10-05 17:50
There was the time she invaded Latveria and defeated Doom, solo.
The time she deflected the blast of a gamma bomb.
That one time she killed a Celestial.
And the time a photosynthetic virus was causing problems so to stop it she turned off the Sun.
evapotranspire2025-10-05 18:03
Thank you for the detailed answer! But you misunderstood my question. Rather, I was not familiar with how the adjective was being used in this context (i.e., "**she's** **broken**" = "she's so powerful **she broke** the game").
janosaudron2025-10-05 19:55
It's a gamer term used to describe an extremely unbalanced character or mechanic, and how its use breaks the game.
FriendLee932025-10-05 17:20
Don't forget she's incapacitated Wolverine by creating a forcefield around his optic nerves, blinding him.
Also put him down once by creating solid fields inside his lungs.
Four_N_Six2025-10-05 19:18
It's been a while since I've read it, but I'm pretty sure the forcefield in the brain trick is literally how she took down Deadpool in one of those "Deadpool Kills the Marvel Universe" comics. So yes, very effective strategy.
MasterAnnatar2025-10-05 19:51
Oh neat. Honestly I didn't know that was something she's actually done. I knew she'd used the "cut off oxygen" trick as a non-lethal takedown though.
wildeebelmondo2025-10-05 17:18
100%. The depth and magnitude of her powers were found on accident a lot of the time because Sue pushed herself beyond what she thought she was capable of. The whole point of that Galactus sequence is her pushing herself beyond her limits to save her son. Thus why Reed told her to stop and that it was, “too much”. He was right. It killed her.
SGdude902025-10-05 17:21
She's strong enough to solo celestials in the comics
A single celestial is a god to the Asgardians as the Asgardians are gods to us
Lightning_Laxus2025-10-05 18:57
That it's less of a power thing and more of exploiting a weakness.
Her powers are connected to Hyperspace, and at the time, there was a theory that Celestials are too, so she was able to attack Exitar "directly." Also, it wasn't really a fight since Exitar wasn't fighting back at all.
yuuki1572025-10-05 17:28
She's stronger. I think this thread should give people a general idea of how powerful she is: https://comicvine.gamespot.com/invisible-woman/4005-2190/forums/respect-the-invisible-woman-master-of-force-fields-2347521/
Competitive_Side63012025-10-05 19:27
I’ve seen that thread. A lot of it is massive exaggeration of her feats. She may be stronger in the comics but so is Galactus and she would never be able to beat him on her own.
looopious2025-10-05 17:28
Anything live action is always weaker since the comics power scaling is infinite and isn't confined to realism.
Initial-Level-42132025-10-05 17:31
She's like one of the most buffed characters in Marvel Comics.
In her first appearances her only power was Invisibility, then she got forcefields and then a couple of decades later turns out her forcefields could penetrate Celestial Armor (though only because they're made of a special energy signature that's soecifcily strong against Celestial armor(
jam112492025-10-05 17:34
I think "strength" and "power" are kind of independent. She pushed the limits of her strength and it left her dead whilst being toe-to-toe with Galactus. If she had popped his head off with a force field, she could have done it with a fraction of the strength. I think Magneto fits into this bracket too, even if his ability to manipulate metal were far "weaker", using it properly is enough to make him dangerously powerful.
Scarletspyder862025-10-05 17:44
Yes
Concolitanos2025-10-05 17:44
The Avengers and X-Men get a lot of hype but the FF are all extremely powerful. The movie takes place in the 1960s but there are robots and flying cars. Reed is arguably the least dangerous of the four but he's so intelligent he's single-handedly warping the technological development of the planet. >!During Sue's pregnancy, he is tracking 47 criminal organizations, building devices to analyze Franklin, scanning distant worlds in real time, and developing teleportation tech and was ready to teleport the entire planet. Plus, he had an FTL engine in orbit... 50 years before Tony-616 builds his suit. !<
Pause_4_Effect2025-10-05 17:44
I thought of this moment like a power crept version of the stories where women running on adrenaline lift cars to save their children.
So I bought it, because she's Sue freakin' Storm
Earthwick2025-10-05 17:45
Sue is a top level power threat in the comics. Much much stronger than that. She is by far stronger than the rest of the F4 combined
RalphMacchio4042025-10-05 17:45
If there is one member of the FF that can and possibly will kill Doom, its Sue. And he knows it.
MarvelMind2025-10-05 17:48
Yes. Much stronger actually.
Medic78022025-10-05 17:50
She is stronger. Pretty much everyone is nerfed from their comic book counterpart in the MCU except the super soldiers.
CoffeeJedi2025-10-05 17:55
Every superhero character is portrayed far less strong in their movies compared to the comic books.
YasuoSwag2025-10-05 18:01
No aura
Meauxterbeauxt2025-10-05 18:01
I think part of it was also the "mom gets the strength to lift a car off of her kid" trope. That was how I took it.
MyLeftNut_2025-10-05 18:01
As a general rule, every character is stronger in the comics lol
Unlucky-Car-14892025-10-05 18:01
Bro just zoom on her face😂😂😂😂 we need Fiege out
ra7ar2025-10-05 18:03
You remember in Infinity War when Cull Obsidian lost his hand? Well imagine that but an invisible force field appearing inside your brain. If she really could get over not killing she'd be insanely Op, Galactus would have lost some limbs.
Ok_Trade_45492025-10-05 18:05
There’s a reason why Franklin can create universes!
OfflineLad2025-10-05 18:11
I doubt theres a movie character thats stronger than their source material counterpart especially when talking about comic book super heroes
ChisSol2025-10-05 18:14
Will dudes ever stop complaining about Mary Sues
Choso1252025-10-05 18:15
All MCU characters are weaker than their comic counterparts. Only very few probably have feats that aren't matched in Comics
Immediate_Purple30392025-10-05 18:15
No she isnt that strong shes WAY more powerful than that.
Fhaksfha7942025-10-05 18:17
Sue is stupid overpowered in the comics. If she wanted to, she could just form a force field inside your head and pop it open from the inside or do the same thing with your heart. We’re lucky she’s such a good person because if she was a villain she would be terrifying
HandspeedJones2025-10-05 18:20
Sue is potentially terrifying in the comics.
cowpool202025-10-05 18:20
Stronger. Sue Storm is a crazy powerful character.
kenneth_on_reddit2025-10-05 18:32
She's far stronger in the comics, but so is Galactus. In the comics, he would've had access to a lot of other powers (such as eye beams and whatnot) and resources (such as machinery and other servants aside from the Surfer to deploy against ground enemies).
downtime372025-10-05 18:32
Depending on who writes her but yes in the comics she has the potential to be most powerful member of the FF and one of the most powerful in the Marvel Universe.
Love Sue when she is written well.
zigaliciousone2025-10-05 18:35
If Sue didn't hold back and went morales off, she would be absolutely terrifying.
SharedAuto2025-10-05 18:38
She's not "pushing galactus around". She just shoved him like a block. And she died because she did it and used all her energy just to shove him. It isn't as galactus losing to sue, its just a surprise shove from an unexpected source for galactus and she paid the price for it
Competitive_Side63012025-10-05 22:57
Exactly this. People are exaggerating so much
FTZulu2025-10-05 18:40
Do MCU fans even read comics? Have they even picked up a piece of paper?
Competitive_Side63012025-10-05 21:20
Considering all the lies and wank about Sue being told in this thread it doesn’t seem like much of anyone reads comics
coragi2025-10-05 18:41
Like everyone said: she is nerfed in the movie. And, I think, every super hero is nerfed in the movies because it is difficult for regular folks to accept that kind of power. I remember the critics about Hulk jumping in the Ang Lee movie.
RorrikTheGreatful2025-10-05 18:52
Can we stop with this nerfed bullshit. Stop expecting heroes to be the same power scale as the comics when they debut in a film.
That's just bad writing and you're making the film right itself into a corner exposing it to much larger plot holes.
Can we have characters start somewhere with their power, gradually evolve ON SCREEN?
VenomTheCapybara2025-10-05 18:52
Didn't she cover up a grand portion of the sun in North's Run with a force field?
True-Tension-68702025-10-05 18:58
In the comics she is considered one of the most powerful in the fantastic 4 and marvel characters. Her ability to generate and manipulate force fields for offense and defense as well as make herself and others invisible is impressive. She has other abilities that make her even stronger
janosaudron2025-10-05 19:46
more so, also read some fucking comics will ya
drntl2025-10-05 22:01
Is there a single MCU character that’s stronger than their comic counterpart?
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Sue Storm is the team's powerhouse.
I meant she has fought against them and sometimes won against in 1v1s
And this is while she is on a team with someone that can turn into a miniature Sun
And a guy who is so smart it registers in other dimensions
The other 3 members of the F4 have far more versatility in how they can leverage their powers.
Like /u/Semi-Nerdy said, the film nerfed her.
What made Reed so interesting, among other things, is how he'd infuse his intellect into his powers to do crazy stuff with his body. In the movie, they turned him into a stretchy Spider-Man
Yeah for 1 minute. Then he was reduced to being a human water dam in the final battle. At best Reed will have one airbag moment. They're all affraid of him stretching around because it looks goofy and they're all so obsessed with everyone being more "grounded".
Who would even look at the guy with stretchy powers amd complain that he looks "goofy"
I bet the next time we see Reed, he’ll be directed by a non over thinking director and we’ll see him stretch like he’s supposed to
I’m more than willing to suspend my belief for super hero movies, so to me, I don’t like that decision either
And in my head, I thought, Reed would stretch his chest to make a baby strap-on case ( you know,the ones that moms use to strap their kids to their chest).
He would literally envelope Franlin Jr like a kangaroo and then back to fighting..
Seems weird taht he was not doing this
there has to be build up, to make the big moments really feel special
Can’t she use her powers to levitate, if not full on fly?
It's kinda necessary though. Comic characters get so ridiculous at their peak moments, you sort of have to scale things back and bring everyone a little closer for continuity sake.
For Sue it’s her ability to make near invincible force field with her mind. When used offensively she’s a Green Lantern without the battery restriction, emotional requirements, and all her constructs are invisible to her enemies.
Speak softly, and carry a big stick, they say.
I wonder if the humans on their Earth even knew the capabilities of the big, invisible stick she carries.
One issue I have with iron man in the MCU is like, supposedly he has created nano tech, AI, given New York renewable energy, and has pocket sized fusion power, but the technology and transportation of the world is still exactly the same as ours.
The F4 convince the entire world to demilitarize because they can ensure peace, they take out all of New Yorks criminals in a day, they convince the entire world to do a massive energy product, all because they’ve won the worlds trust after saving it so many times. In contrast The Falcon gets denied a bank loan after saving half the known universe.
Falcon getting denied a bank loan is wild though.
I believe he also mentions not wanting to leverage his status as Falcon wanting to save the boat the right way. If he really wanted to he could’ve escalated to a bank manager or something who would’ve given him the loan in exchange for publicity
You're on r/MarvelStudios so that's as far as this discussion is probably gonna go tbh
Good point.
The existence of billionaires while people starve is an abhorrence
But he won’t.
It’s kind of a whole thing with comic stuff even outside of Marvel where the needle can’t be pushed _too_ far outside of where the real world has progressed because stories they may want to adapt are contingent on things that still haven’t been solved IRL. Willing to bet the F4 are gonna be starting from zero & that’ll be a major sticking point in whatever sequel they get as well as whatever the plans are for mutants.
Comics have been punching Hitler in the face since the 1940s, there’s nothing they’re not allowed to do in terms of pushing the envelope. And for specific situations of racism or systemic exploitation, those storylines are perpetually available to comics and movies because they will pretty much always be ongoing. They aren’t “solved” so therefore they’re always available to allegory. Creators don’t need to show any restraint on that front. Just think of how many sitcoms and police dramas throw in a blatant obvious racism episode that ends in a feelgood moment.
X-Men is still timeless minus Magneto’s backstory as a WWII holocaust survivor.
However in a world that has an easy affordable cure for cancer, can you create Breaking Bad?
Have you watched ironheart? I'd really recommend it if you are looking for exactly this
Her name is Lola.
Sue’s powers in the hands of anyone less ethical are terrifying.
Like, it's rarely addressed but Sue is the team's heaviest hitter by a long shot.
Did we watch the same movie?
But yeah their in universe superheroes are really meant to be a less op and more grounded commentary of superhero media. They're kinda becoming what they set out to satirize though.
I believe so. Basically like saying a character needs to be nerfed in a game because their power set is too unfair.
The time she deflected the blast of a gamma bomb.
That one time she killed a Celestial.
And the time a photosynthetic virus was causing problems so to stop it she turned off the Sun.
Also put him down once by creating solid fields inside his lungs.
A single celestial is a god to the Asgardians as the Asgardians are gods to us
Her powers are connected to Hyperspace, and at the time, there was a theory that Celestials are too, so she was able to attack Exitar "directly." Also, it wasn't really a fight since Exitar wasn't fighting back at all.
In her first appearances her only power was Invisibility, then she got forcefields and then a couple of decades later turns out her forcefields could penetrate Celestial Armor (though only because they're made of a special energy signature that's soecifcily strong against Celestial armor(
So I bought it, because she's Sue freakin' Storm
Love Sue when she is written well.
That's just bad writing and you're making the film right itself into a corner exposing it to much larger plot holes.
Can we have characters start somewhere with their power, gradually evolve ON SCREEN?