Ironheart was really good

It didn't hit hard with its first episode but it got only better and better and now I am hooked after watching last episode of it. I want more.
I looked through some 1 star reviews from IMDB and they could as well be AI generated. Just weird ranting about Tony Stark's legacy keeps repeating over and over again. Tony Stark is dead. Accept it.

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Pristine-Passage-1002025-10-04 22:04

No it wasn’t

Fawqueue2025-10-04 22:08

Why sell your technology for millions when you can steal thousands? Peak writing.

nightstalker89002025-10-04 22:16

The government would never let you sell that tech.

Common_Celebration412025-10-05 00:19

Unless you sell it to them

watabadidea2025-10-05 13:54

It seems more realistic that they'd let you sell it before the let you roll out of MIT with it and then start immediately using it to commit high-profile crimes in your hometown.

sufficiently_tortuga2025-10-05 15:03

but...she did sell the tech. That's the whole point of the first episode

AgentP202025-10-04 22:39

The Government fucked her over once and almost got her killed in her last appearance. The Government would have taken Tony's tech too if not for his privileged circumstances.

Fun-Poet53382025-10-05 00:47

Yk private companies exist right? Ones that even invest billions just in R&D?

skoon2025-10-05 07:02

Pepper and Happy aren't dead. Stark Industries still exists. Why not work for them?

AgentP202025-10-05 17:40

She was getting funded by Stark already. She wants sole ownership of her armour. She has a huge ego and is selfish in her own right. That mephisto deal further illustrates it.

JyconX2025-10-04 23:26

The MCU version of the U.S. Government would've just wanted to confiscate the technology for themselves rather than let Riri sell it. They already did that with the vibranium detector in Black Panther: Wakanda Forever.

watabadidea2025-10-05 13:52

If you want to say she didn't try to sell it because she was afraid the government would confiscate it, then fine. That's not a bad counterargument. However, it needs to be logically consistent with what she *did* do.

Is the motivation of "don't do something that will result in the government wanting to confiscate your tech," logically consistent with the strategy of "publicly roll out with the tech then immediately start using it to commit a bunch of high-profile crimes in your hometown."

I'd say "no." That suggests bad writing.

Also, FWIW, you can still enjoy it. I enjoy all kinds of shows/movies that have *terrible* writing. I just don't try to convince people it was good or justify obviously bad decisions by the writers.

SeekerVash2025-10-05 02:22

I dunno, the whole solar power/wind power thing was even better.

She made a suit where she becomes a statue at night when there's no breeze and suffocates in minutes.

MrNobody_02025-10-05 02:33

Are you aware of the technology in the MCU universe? Her tech is nothing special anymore.

drallafi2025-10-04 22:09

IMO, it was a *decent* show until >!Mephisto showed up.!< Then it became a great show.

shotbydarrell2025-10-04 22:14

I thought it was great. The first couple of episodes were kinda slow but by the third, you definitely feel the stakes rising. By the last episode, you just want more.

WhatTheFreightTruck2025-10-04 22:16

I struggled and could not make it through the first episode...

view-master2025-10-04 23:22

I thought the first episode showed promise. The second episode was a complete disappointment to me so I haven’t found enthusiasm to continue yet. I might try again at some point.

Terrible-Group-96022025-10-05 00:19

Try again, definitely gets good

Bhookhiatma2025-10-04 22:20

Cmon man

StreetJellyfish61572025-10-04 22:21

I’m… did you happen to notice in the dialog that the character of RheeRhee kept putting down the Tony Stark character that she is based on? Nothing about Iron Heart is new. She is an Iron Man rip off. She makes a deal with Mephisto at the end which makes her a villain. Now, far be it from me to tell you what to like or not like, I am glad someone liked the show! Most of the audience saw her story arc complete into a villain origin story and decided they didn’t like it. That’s all. But not everyone has to see it the same way. I mean some people liked She-Hulk and a lot of others didn’t. To each their own. I myself get stuck on the Spider-Man movies. I like the characters but hate the stories. Just my own opinion and not worth a cup of coffee. I hope you have a pleasant day! Cheers!

Goblue5891x22025-10-04 22:26

Okay, full admission here. I had never heard of Ironheart until the conversations started due to the D+ series being released. I went into it open minded. I just could never get gripped by the story and I was not overly impressed. My opinion only, of course. That being said, I did not review it or say anything negative. I just probably won't watch a season two if there is one.

dowker12025-10-04 22:39

>did you happen to notice in the dialog that the character of RheeRhee kept putting down the Tony Stark character that she is based on?

No I didn't. She seemed quite admiring of him to me.

>Most of the audience saw her story arc complete into a villain origin story and decided they didn’t like it.

There was a poll?

AdditionalBanana95852025-10-04 22:53

All because she said she wanted to be bigger than the greats. Like, can people not have such aspirations? She's clearly very inspired by Tony and her father's love of him. She holds nothing but respect for him. And these people are talking about her flaws, like Tony didn't have a million of his own. It truly is a race/sex issue to them.

LordDusty2025-10-05 03:03

Admiring? I never got admiring at all. In fact it felt like she was holding back from criticising him more and reluctantly praising his achievements

icorrectpettydetails2025-10-04 23:46

> did you happen to notice in the dialog that the character of RheeRhee kept putting down the Tony Stark character that she is based on

Literally when? Because I only remember her even talking about Tony Stark once, and that wasn't putting him down at all.

Cheese00892025-10-04 22:23

I liked it. It could have been better, but it was an enjoyable ride.

Trick_Ad_44972025-10-04 22:24

Lots of +40yo white dudes bitching because the main characters don’t look like them anymore. As a 30yo white dude that enjoys stories regardless of what gender or race the main characters are, Ironheart was great. Sure, Riri made decisions I don’t think I would have made, but then again, I have a completely different life experience than her and we’ve barely seen a snapshot of the characters life. Marvel “fans” need to chill tf out, it’s not hard to shut up, step back and then form an opinion or just enjoy the content they’re giving us.

Edit, hilarious to get a notification that I received 5 upvotes, then be downvoted to -1 less than 12 hours later. 😂

SirWobblyOfSausage2025-10-04 23:18

Nah, my generation are with you guy,. 40's isn't shitting on you - its the boomers and political elite making terrible choices like allowing people to become A BILLIONAIRE. This is the result

Neptune282025-10-05 01:48

Well said

Ashstretchum2025-10-04 22:32

"Really good" is a stretch.

Eastern_Moose43512025-10-04 22:36

I thought it was a lot better than most of the Marvel TV. They finally figured out they need to really pack stuff in from the comics instead of being more sparing about it.

They hung a lot of other characters out there but Ironheart got a lot of "marvel support" and was better for it.

Riri is also just better it seems like she had a script that was rewritten and polished proper amount vs other others being more rushed.

And for me it has nothing to do with Mephisto I did not like him/not a fan of him from the comics or anything.

_StrangeIsLife_2025-10-04 22:41

It was good, far from perfect but i like that it did things different and than i expected. N.A.T.A.L.I.E was the most enjoyable part.

But the way things happen confuse me. Why become a criminal when you can use that genius to sell your technology?

Maybe there's a very obvious reason that my foggy memory brain has already forgotten. Probably the plot with >!Mephisto!< but to me it would make sense to invent some really useful gadget, like that shield and sell it, get a loan and she'll be able to pay it back easily with the figures she'll be making.

AdditionalBanana95852025-10-04 22:57

Sell her technology in a world that barely accepts Sam as Cap? In a world that'll kill for such tech in order to kill some more? Not to say that she's against it because her goal is to eventually use her tech to support law enforcement, but she recognized that she needs to move up in life first in order to have control over the tech that she provides.

view-master2025-10-04 23:26

Yeah I can’t get past the logic of that. And honestly a black character with that much smarts and opportunity and the writers just assume crime is her natural path. That rubbed me the wrong way.

thrownawaynodoxx2025-10-04 23:48

The problem is who would she sell it to? Most buyers would be government affiliated and steal her tech (like they already did in Black Panther 2 without her knowledge). The few that wouldn't be are likely to be Mysterio levels of shady.

watabadidea2025-10-05 14:01

I'm ok with the general idea of "I can't do XXX because it will result in the government stealing my tech."

My issue is that "Publicly roll out of MIT with the suit and then immediately use the suit to commit high-profile crimes in my hometown" wasn't something she (i.e., the writers) thought would result in the government coming to steal the tech.

chuckdee682025-10-05 00:56

> get a loan and she'll be able to pay it back easily with the figures she'll be making.

They already had that storyline in FaTWS and why an inner city kid with no collateral to speak of couldn't get it if an Avenger with a boat as collateral couldn't.

Bouncedoutnup2025-10-04 22:45

I liked it. Much better than the Star Wars stuff D+ has been pushing. They actually wrote the characters well and had some development.

playgroundmx2025-10-05 07:08

I enjoyed Iron heart but no way I’ll ever compare it to a masterpiece like Andor.

Bouncedoutnup2025-10-05 12:12

Andor transcends SW. I’m glad you cherry picked that as a comparison instead of say, Obi Wan or Acolyte.

LordDusty2025-10-05 13:36

I mean that just shows how bad some of the SW stuff has been, but really Andor, Mando, Skeleton Crew and a great deal of the animated stuff are all heads and shoulders above Ironheart just like most of the Marvel D+ stuff is

Uncanny--2025-10-04 22:51

The finale was fire

Sea-Strike-17582025-10-04 23:39

Yeah when they made it cannon she is a villain and sold her soul to the devil, validating all her selfish and vain ambitions the whole show was better than i thought they were going to do. I was really hoping after everything they didn't shoehorn her into a hero, she is a villain, and could be a very interesting one going forward, evil iron man and mafisto could be super cool

BALIHU872025-10-05 19:21

Sasha made the final fine af.

NightFury05952025-10-04 23:30

Nah. Pass. Right from I want to make something ICANIK, helping the first responders to involved in killing, stealing for thousands of $$ instead of using the tech at hand. Insane writing.

And please stop with the Government won't let her use the tech bullsh*t, that's just lazy writing. If they had their heart in this project, Riri would have been a role-model for new generation of Marvel fans, instead she became a victim of another Mary Sue alongside Mulan, Jen Walters, Osha, and many

OldGlass33612025-10-04 23:35

can not watch it, i saw the trailer and that is enough

Fearless_Signal1682025-10-05 01:34

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chickenkebaap2025-10-05 03:35

They might not even be white. You need to accept that not every show needs to be liked by everyone , instead of accusing someone to be an incel or a racist.

As an asian guy, i think the show was just average, with the finale being the only episode i liked.

OldGlass33612025-10-05 21:20

that is racist of you to say.

In a democracy I am allowed to have my own feelings/opinions!

Fun-Poet53382025-10-05 00:46

Could you elaborate on what all you liked about it?

Squirrel_launcher2025-10-05 02:11

I loved the show until Riri decided to take the easy way with Mephisto. Other than that it was awesome.

Ragnarok_6192025-10-05 02:17

I saw it as an origin of a villain, and it all made sense. They wrote Riri to be an ungrateful, snobby prick, and I was confused as to why should I even root for this prick, and then the "she's a villain" theory came up: We aren't supposed to root for her, like her.

vashoom2025-10-05 21:24

My problem was they also made her stupid. I would have been fine with a show about her making the wrong decisions and kind of becoming a villain. But when you have a scene where she literally watches the hood turn Parker into a mutated demon and comments on it, and then she immediately takes the hood and takes the deal with mephisto, especially how the whole season is kind of about how her making a deal with the metaphorical devil (Hood and his gang) caused all her problems, it just comes off as her being an idiot. Like, if these were the plot points, she should have been more overtly villainous. The show treats her like the hero every step of the way. It's jarring.

Ragnarok_6192025-10-05 21:25

I see you have seen the breakdown video from Nutsa as well

vashoom2025-10-05 21:30

I have not and don't know who or what Nutsa is. But I'm sure plenty of other people had the same feelings on the show; it's not exactly an obscure take.

Ok_Negotiation312025-10-05 03:14

It was a terrible show until >!Mephisto shows up, he singlehandedly saved the show !<

vashoom2025-10-05 21:27

He didn't save it for me, but he was my favorite part, and my only exposure to Mephisto is One More Day, so I'm not exactly a fan of the character. But Sacha Baron Cohen's performance was fantastic, and the writing for Mephisto was great, too.

Jonathon_G2025-10-05 03:39

Each episode became better than the one before. That’s difficult to do. Last episode was excellent

OrcaHawk12025-10-05 03:47

It was awesome, hoping for more

PissNBiscuits2025-10-05 04:38

I thought it was a great continuation of the supernatural side of the MCU, and I really hope they don't abandon it in the future. Mephisto has potential to be the next big bad, so letting that finale just fizzle out would probably kill my interest in future MCU projects.

gabrielleraul2025-10-05 06:01

Didn't deserve the hate, it was alright

UnbindA112025-10-05 10:02

Anyone calling Riri a Mary Sue, shouting stuff like “she’s a criminal for no reason” or “she’s a lame Tony Stark wannabe” like it’s some dig against the writers, or anything to those effects clearly weren’t going into this show with a fair and open mind. Riri is a walking trainwreck, and both the writers and the characters are *very* aware of that.

Nearly every single character gets a moment to call her out on her BS. Pretty much every conflict or consequence she experiences is of her own doing. Her inability—or rather, unwillingness—to move on from her own traumas is not only why she’s so fixated on building Iron Man-like technology, but also why she relapses in the finale and falls for the *exact same type of deal* she made at the beginning of the show. This show isn’t a hero’s origin story, it’s a tragedy.

watabadidea2025-10-05 13:46

OP sees strange ranting about Tony Stark and suggests it is a sign it might be AI generated. OP then proceeds to strangely rant about Tony Stark.

Interesting choice, there.

Feanixxxx2025-10-05 15:12

Everything in Iron Heart was good except for Iron Heart herself.

ChisSol2025-10-06 18:46

I have not seen it. I have wisely chosen to tune out all the “woke” complainers and idiots who complain about dumb shit. But - I did hear that a lot of people have complaints about her feeling like a shallow antihero personality wise. I see a lot of reviews talking about her being selfish, misguided, no character arc, is any of this true? Does anyone have any thoughts or opinions they can fill me in on? In just curious before I start watching it.

StreetJellyfish61572025-10-07 04:03

Fair enough, they were critiques. Her character is very complex. Do you think that they will have her return in the upcoming movies?

StreetJellyfish61572025-10-07 04:10

Fair points to all. It was the ending that clearly indicated her alignment. She made a deal with mephisto. That’s opposite of Tony’s character arc but so very interesting for her character. So much potential for a redemption arc! Personally, I think the writers could have illustrated more of her intellect and compassion. It appears to me that they’ve overlooked those qualities in heroic characters. For example the Wonder Woman movie tended to ignore those qualities save for a few fleeting moments. A shame, really. Moving forward I hope that the characters will have more depth and relevance.

StreetJellyfish61572025-10-07 04:12

That’s fair. It didn’t seem to make a splash with audiences either. Again, poor writing is to blame.

bunnyblunts2025-10-28 03:01

Damn, damage control at it a little late hahaha it is pretty bad guys, what drugs yall on? Hahaha