Plot Holes in Marvel Zombies
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After watching Marvel Zombies, I realized there were a LOT of plot holes, enough to the point where it was distracting. Here's just the few I found, correct me if I'm wrong here
**1. Zombie Wanda**
What is Zombie Wanda? She is apparently the only Zombie able to grow a consciousness, and was even advanced enough to disguise herself as a human + act like one. But why? What is her goal? To zombify the entire planet? If that was the case, why mess with infinity hulk or kamala? She already had control on basically 99.9% of the planet, and it was only a matter of time before she took full control. Why was she even doing anything? The entire show she was focused on chasing specifically Kamala, and ignored everything else. She has zero motivation to do anything she does in the show basically.
**2. Kamala**
What is the connection between Wanda and Kamala? In the end, it seems Wanda only needed her to use the infinity stone powers to do... something? The entire time, Wanda didn't seem to care about people potentially discovering cures (Ironheart might've had something + Vision did too), or calling outside forces like Nova Corps (Wanda has no idea Nova Corps had Earth under quarantine), both of which are legitimate threats to the zombie reign. But she did seem really interested in whatever she did at the end, which apparently she could not achieve without Kamala (How does Wanda even know of Kamala or how her powers work?). Also her ENTIRE PLAN revolves around Kamala WILLINGLY letting Wanda use her with powers. Wouldn't the plan have go by 100 times better if they just had Kamala locked in one location while the rest of the cast does all the work to get to space to transmit the signal, since it seems like Wanda was only chasing them EXCLUSIVELY because of Kamala.
**3. Khonshu**
So it's implied Moon Knight is dead, so Khonshu took over Blade instead. Cool. This includes Blade having knowledge he wouldn't normally have, since Khonshu can warn him. But then it was stated that Khonshu "didn't warn him about everything" when it was revealed the Asgardians were eating rotten flesh. Why? Does Khonshu have some ulterior motive here? He directly talked to Valkyrie to get the gang in New Asgard. Not to mention Blade's abrupt death at the end, despite having Khonshu omniscience.
**4. Sorcerers**
So the sorcerers save Spiderman and Antman from the explosion, and I assume came up with the infinity hulk plan. Cool. Why did it take them so long to contact the main heroes? I assume they also knew about the Nova Corp being aware and not helping, which would save the main cast a ton of time. Also also, is spiderman and Antman just chilling there for 5 years?
**5. How did (insert character here) get infected?**
There were a lot of these. Thanos, Captain Marvel, Thor, even Namor to an extent because how tf did they reach him in the water to begin with? I'm willing to chalk this up to just plot convenience though, not necessarily a plot hole, since there are immune characters like Ikaris and Hulk.
**6. Thanos and the Infinity Stones**
The entire Wakanda battle was so weird. Zombie Thanos, who had the sense to one shot KO Thor (which even normal Thanos didn't get the chance to do), somehow got caught off guard by Black Panther who basically solo'd Thanos long enough to push him into the core. Which somehow DESTROYED ALL 6 INFINITY STONES. It's pretty well established that infinity stones are hard to destroy, and you need something with equal power to do so (ex, stones destroying the stones). Also a KO'd Thor somehow surviving?? He clearly wasn't saved by the sorcerers.
**7. Quarantine**
So the Nova Corps quarantined earth. Makes sense. Until you realize Dr Strange (or any sorcerer for that matter) can portal to anywhere they like and escape. We literally see Strange and the other sorcerers portal Spiderman and the crew from Titan in Endgame. Also wtf is the Nova Crops plan? Sit around and hope the virus doesn't spread? They have quote unquote "Advanced technology" meaning they could probably come up with a cure easily. But they didn't. Hell, vision came up with a cure, and possibly even ironheart given she survives a bite. It's not far fetched the Nova Corps can also come up with a cure. Also, surely they know about Wanda, who is definitely a threat to the universe? Would they not care about this?
**8. Infinity Hulk**
Hulk is seen to be severely injured after even a snap with the infinity stones. And yet here he is, absorbing the infinity stone power for 5 YEARS nonstop and was absolutely fine. Also it was stated Wanda was "gathering an army big enough" to go up against Infinity Hulk. It's assumed from even the first What if episode that the majority of the planet is zombies, so what more is there to gather? Wanda can mind control any zombie from anywhere already. And did Wanda not confront Hulk once in the 5 year time span? Or did she do it but lost? And why tf does she want to mess with Infinity Hulk (without infinity hulk all the energy is released and the whole planet is doomed).
**9. The ending**
The ending made no sense. Even if you believe Wanda was genuinely trying to "fix the world", she 1, could've helped with the cure (or at least not killed people actively), and 2, could've explained she would rewrite reality to Kamala and her friends (instead of just mindlessly attacking). And if she wasn't, and this was all a ploy to trick Kamala to let her use her powers to zombify the world (almost certainly the case), WHY? The entire world was almost fully zombified already, and why mess with infinity hulk and kamala just so she can give people the illusion of living normally? Why bother with any of this at all? Hell, the entire team was basically screwed at the end even if Wanda DIDN'T attack Infinity Hulk, because they found out the Nova Corps weren't helping. The only cure they had was with Spiderman and Antman with the sorcerers and with ironheart. It would make sense for Wanda to go after those guys instead of Kamala since they have a cure that could threaten her.
The show wasn't bad, it's just a lot of it didn't make much sense. I am hoping I simply missed some stuff and there is a good explanation to all of this, and if there is, let me know.
After watching Marvel Zombies, I realized there were a LOT of plot holes, enough to the point where it was distracting. Here's just the few I found, correct me if I'm wrong here
**1. Zombie Wanda**
What is Zombie Wanda? She is apparently the only Zombie able to grow a consciousness, and was even advanced enough to disguise herself as a human + act like one. But why? What is her goal? To zombify the entire planet? If that was the case, why mess with infinity hulk or kamala? She already had control on basically 99.9% of the planet, and it was only a matter of time before she took full control. Why was she even doing anything? The entire show she was focused on chasing specifically Kamala, and ignored everything else. She has zero motivation to do anything she does in the show basically.
**2. Kamala**
What is the connection between Wanda and Kamala? In the end, it seems Wanda only needed her to use the infinity stone powers to do... something? The entire time, Wanda didn't seem to care about people potentially discovering cures (Ironheart might've had something + Vision did too), or calling outside forces like Nova Corps (Wanda has no idea Nova Corps had Earth under quarantine), both of which are legitimate threats to the zombie reign. But she did seem really interested in whatever she did at the end, which apparently she could not achieve without Kamala (How does Wanda even know of Kamala or how her powers work?). Also her ENTIRE PLAN revolves around Kamala WILLINGLY letting Wanda use her with powers. Wouldn't the plan have go by 100 times better if they just had Kamala locked in one location while the rest of the cast does all the work to get to space to transmit the signal, since it seems like Wanda was only chasing them EXCLUSIVELY because of Kamala.
**3. Khonshu**
So it's implied Moon Knight is dead, so Khonshu took over Blade instead. Cool. This includes Blade having knowledge he wouldn't normally have, since Khonshu can warn him. But then it was stated that Khonshu "didn't warn him about everything" when it was revealed the Asgardians were eating rotten flesh. Why? Does Khonshu have some ulterior motive here? He directly talked to Valkyrie to get the gang in New Asgard. Not to mention Blade's abrupt death at the end, despite having Khonshu omniscience.
**4. Sorcerers**
So the sorcerers save Spiderman and Antman from the explosion, and I assume came up with the infinity hulk plan. Cool. Why did it take them so long to contact the main heroes? I assume they also knew about the Nova Corp being aware and not helping, which would save the main cast a ton of time. Also also, is spiderman and Antman just chilling there for 5 years?
**5. How did (insert character here) get infected?**
There were a lot of these. Thanos, Captain Marvel, Thor, even Namor to an extent because how tf did they reach him in the water to begin with? I'm willing to chalk this up to just plot convenience though, not necessarily a plot hole, since there are immune characters like Ikaris and Hulk.
**6. Thanos and the Infinity Stones**
The entire Wakanda battle was so weird. Zombie Thanos, who had the sense to one shot KO Thor (which even normal Thanos didn't get the chance to do), somehow got caught off guard by Black Panther who basically solo'd Thanos long enough to push him into the core. Which somehow DESTROYED ALL 6 INFINITY STONES. It's pretty well established that infinity stones are hard to destroy, and you need something with equal power to do so (ex, stones destroying the stones). Also a KO'd Thor somehow surviving?? He clearly wasn't saved by the sorcerers.
**7. Quarantine**
So the Nova Corps quarantined earth. Makes sense. Until you realize Dr Strange (or any sorcerer for that matter) can portal to anywhere they like and escape. We literally see Strange and the other sorcerers portal Spiderman and the crew from Titan in Endgame. Also wtf is the Nova Crops plan? Sit around and hope the virus doesn't spread? They have quote unquote "Advanced technology" meaning they could probably come up with a cure easily. But they didn't. Hell, vision came up with a cure, and possibly even ironheart given she survives a bite. It's not far fetched the Nova Corps can also come up with a cure. Also, surely they know about Wanda, who is definitely a threat to the universe? Would they not care about this?
**8. Infinity Hulk**
Hulk is seen to be severely injured after even a snap with the infinity stones. And yet here he is, absorbing the infinity stone power for 5 YEARS nonstop and was absolutely fine. Also it was stated Wanda was "gathering an army big enough" to go up against Infinity Hulk. It's assumed from even the first What if episode that the majority of the planet is zombies, so what more is there to gather? Wanda can mind control any zombie from anywhere already. And did Wanda not confront Hulk once in the 5 year time span? Or did she do it but lost? And why tf does she want to mess with Infinity Hulk (without infinity hulk all the energy is released and the whole planet is doomed).
**9. The ending**
The ending made no sense. Even if you believe Wanda was genuinely trying to "fix the world", she 1, could've helped with the cure (or at least not killed people actively), and 2, could've explained she would rewrite reality to Kamala and her friends (instead of just mindlessly attacking). And if she wasn't, and this was all a ploy to trick Kamala to let her use her powers to zombify the world (almost certainly the case), WHY? The entire world was almost fully zombified already, and why mess with infinity hulk and kamala just so she can give people the illusion of living normally? Why bother with any of this at all? Hell, the entire team was basically screwed at the end even if Wanda DIDN'T attack Infinity Hulk, because they found out the Nova Corps weren't helping. The only cure they had was with Spiderman and Antman with the sorcerers and with ironheart. It would make sense for Wanda to go after those guys instead of Kamala since they have a cure that could threaten her.
The show wasn't bad, it's just a lot of it didn't make much sense. I am hoping I simply missed some stuff and there is a good explanation to all of this, and if there is, let me know.
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Sorcerers can only portal to places they can visualize in their mind, as was said in the first Dr. Strange movie. They can't portal off world if they can't picture what it looks like, and zombies are likely too simple to visualize anything not in their immediate vicinity.
The Nova corp or Fury probably called in Captain Marvel, she's only invulnerable in Binary form so was probably infected when she let her guard down.
Hulk was reinforced with magic which was why he could hold the infinity energy. It just destroyed his conscious mind in return.
There were clearly non zombified sorcerers who have likely been to other places aside from earth though, which would defeat the purpose of the quarantine, since they didn't allow anyone through, zombie or not. Also, leaving Wanda unchecked is far more dangerous, since she can basically act like normal, and almost definitely capable of teleporting either herself, or commanding zombified sorcerers to do so.
Just on point 1. Wanda says she can save the world and what she eventually did was to do a worldwide version of WandaVision. She trapped everyone in an illusion while allowing the zombies and non-zombies to co-exist. It's not saving per se but to her, there are no more fighting.
Also, she needed the infinity powers to amplify her own power. She can't control an illusion on a global scale without help, as seen in WandaVision.
There would also be no more fighting if A, she just zombifies everyone (which makes more sense as a goal), or B, let's them find the cure (which would actually be saving the world).
She needed the infinity powers, but all we see is her attacking Infinity Hulk, which I assume she knows can't go down, because if infinity hulk goes down, the entire planet does. And how does Kamala come into this? How did she A, know of Kamala's existence, B, knew how her powers worked well enough to come up with this plan, or C, decide it was a good idea to attack Kamala and her friends?
Also her entire plan banked on Kamala WILLINGLY letting her use her powers. If Kamala just said no at the end, wouldn't her entire plan fail, and she'd just end up with a couple more zombies?
The more you think about it the less sense it makes. If the entire time it was just Wanda chasing Kamala, but her plan requires Kamala to willingly let her use her powers (as well as somehow subduing infinity hulk at the same time), what good would getting to Kamala do if she just refuses? You also see Wanda wasting time to convince Kamala to join her, so it's assumed Wanda can't simply zombify Kamala and use her powers that way.
Wanda has witchcraft and will think of a witchcraft solution. She knows illusions, mind control. She doesn't know how to cure the virus or anything else.
As mentioned by multiple characters, she's forming an army to defeat Infinity Hulk. She thought of a solution that requires no more work after implementing it. Why does she need to continue converting them to zombies.
You're asking why a character who believes they're a hero is trying to do something they perceived to be heroic? Media literacy is dead.
Why would Wanda WANT to defeat Infinity Hulk? if he goes down the infinity energy is released and the whole world is doomed, zombie or not. It's a plot hole already that she even decides to attack infinity hulk to begin with, especially since her plan relies on Kamala. It's more so she needs to subdue infinity hulk long enough to use his powers, which is an insane gamble whilst at the same time having Kamala there within arms reach actively letting her use her powers.
No, I'm asking what the point of what she's doing is lmao. It doesn't matter if she thinks its the right thing to do, she has ZERO REASON to care in the first place, let alone come up with this obscene plan that basically does nothing. She goes through the risk of messing with infinity hulk (who could potentially destroy the world), and trouble of convincing Kamala, just so the remaining handful of humans can live in an illusion??? While she is also actively turning them into zombies?
"Why does she need to continue converting them to zombies", is fcking hilarious because it's exactly what she does throughout the entire show despite it having zero relevancy to her plan.
If Kamala died, Wanda's entire plan goes to shit. Hell, if Kamala is ZOMBIFIED, her plan goes to shit, because it's implied Wanda needs Kamala to willingly agree in human form, hence why she wastes time trying to convince Kamala to join her.
Which is fcking weird, because the entire time, Kamala is put in harms way due to Wanda actively attacking them (+randoms getting killed or zombified despite that contributing 0 to her plan). Wanda's plan would've made a helluva a lot more sense if she just had a talk (disguised in human form) with Kamala BEFORE her friends are killed.
And at the end she basically attacks Infinity Hulk having no idea if A, Kamala is even alive, or B, Kamala would show up. Let's say the sorcerers didn't save the main crew after their ship blew up, and Kamala fell to her death. What now? Wanda defeats infinity hulk and the entire planet gets destroyed by infinity energy?
Also, does Wanda not have control over Captain Marvel? I don't remember seeing the red eyes. So this implies a few possibilities. 1, She didn't know (wtf, because she found out about Kamala), or 2, she did but can't control her (also wtf, because she can control thor)
Would someone wearing a gas mask not be able to move around freely in a cloud of tear gas?
This just makes things worse, because now, Riri supposedly knew or figured out Wanda's plan, and was able to figure out countermeasures with a "hack", which isn't even just exclusive to her, since she was able to get Kamala to see the real world a bit in the end.
Wanda, being a powerful telepath, is able to use her psychic powers to restore most of her mind and project illusions of a normal human appearance - but she’s still a zombie and wants the zombies to win.
As for her plans, yeah we don’t know the end-goal. They’re leaving that for season 2. As for now, we know she wanted to remake the world and she succeeded.
2. Wanda wanted Kamala’s bangle/Quantum Band, which has reality warping abilities. She got supercharged by Infinity Energy and the Band and was able to Hex the entire planet. Again, we don’t know exactly how she remade the world, but as you pointed out, she wasn’t worried about people making cures so that might have been something she altered.
The good guys didn’t stick Kamala in a box and hide her away because they didn’t know Wanda wanted the Bangle. They thought she was chasing Kamala to stop her from using the Nova Corps beacon. Then in the final fight, they thought Wanda just wanted Hulk’s Infinity Energy so Kamala joined the fight to stop her.
3. Khonshu isn’t omniscient. We saw that often throughout the Moon Knight series. Most of the things he warned Blade about were just things he could see/sense happening outside the room. Wanda’s illusions were powerful enough to trick him.
4. The sorcerers of Kamar Taj aren’t omniscient either. They helped the main characters when they learned about them and where they were.
5. Thanos, Captain Marvel, Thor, even Namor Are all characters who we have seen bloodied in a fight. If the virus can get in their bloodstream, they can be infected - all it takes is a scratch.
6. A simple plot contrivance. The writers needed something powerful to destroy the Stones, they used an unstable vibranium reactor. The writers needed to write out Black Panther, so he managed to make Thanos stumble into the reactor by sacrificing himself. Comics do stuff like this all the time.
7. The Nova Corps doesn’t know about Kamar Taj. The people of Earth barely know about Kamar Taj.
Just because they have advanced technology doesn’t mean they can come up with a cure easily. The fact that they have a quarantine set up indicates to me that they’re either working on a cure, or weren’t able to make one at all. Vision’s “cure” involved decapitation and Riri amputated her arm before the infection spread - a common zombie trope.
As we saw, the Nova Corps’ plan clearly isn’t “Sit around and hope the virus doesn’t spread”. They have an armed cordon encircling the entire planet ready to kill anything that tries to break quarantine.
Why do you assume the Nova Corps knows about Wanda and her potential? How would they know that?
8. I’d hardly say he was “absolutely fine”. Bruce was very much dead and the Hulk was just a vessel being propped up by Infinity Energy.
Wanda was after him because she wanted to steal his Infinity Energy and combine it with Kamala’s bangle to remake the world - again, we don’t know what she wanted but evidently controlling the zombie horde wasn’t it.
9. It’s a cliffhanger. We don’t know what Wanda did other than stick Kamala in a fake little fantasy land, but it’s a set up for another season which will answer the loose threads left by the first.
Wanda probably did fix the world from her perspective. But she was a zombie so obviously that doesn’t mean curing the plague.
Wanda didn’t “mindlessly attack” the main team at the end. She was attacking Infinity Hulk to steal his power and the team stepped in to stop her because they didn’t trust what Wanda would do with the power. Turns out it was a trap, and Wanda wanted them to come so she could force Kamala into giving her access to the bangle.
Overall I thought the show was okay - not great, but not awful.
A lot of your complaints come from either assuming that the general public in the MCU has the same knowledge as the viewers, or being upset that things were set up to be answered in the sequel.
So how did Wanda figure out she needed Kamala for this job? How did she find out Kamala existed? Wanda didn't control Captain Marvel (who would've been insanely useful in the fight against infinity hulk), so did she just not know about her? Also Wanda attacking Infinity Hulk for energy makes less sense, because if infinity hulk falls, the world gets overrun by infinity energy, which would wipe the humans and zombies.
Khonshu was omniscient enough to both locate Kamala somehow, despite having zero contact or knowledge about her prior, to pinpoint her exact location so Blade could rescue her, AND figure out what the transmitter is and does, and that Kamala and her friends had it. Khonshu also knew about Zemo's prison and that there was a spaceship in new asgard, something neither blade nor khonshu could POSSIBLY observe since they weren't even allowed in new asgard until khonshu came out and talked. Khonshu also didn't have to see through Wanda's illusions, just realize that Wanda was present or near, which would be offsetting enough. The sorcerers also had 5 YEARS, since they rescued Peter and Lang right away from the explosion. And apparently all Spiderman and antman has been doing the last 5 years is just sit around.
Thanos, Captain Marvel, Thor are also extremely tough. Thanos only bled a single drop after a bunch of direct attacks from Iron Man. Some random human zombie is not getting to him. The only way is if they were tricked via ingesting zombie flesh like how Wanda tricked the asgardians. There is a reason Wanda took that route since the zombies could not breach new asgard.
They could've easily wrote out black panther without the infinity energy nonsense, which lead to infinity hulk. Could've easily had Wanda chase the stones instead of attacking infinity hulk which could lead to the destruction of the entire planet.
The Nova Corps should at the very least know about Wanda, and realize it's a terrible idea to just let her do whatever. They would also pick up on the infinity energy that hulk is keeping at bay, which is another thing they should care about. I assume because we're talking about reality warping magic used in huge amounts. The avengers were able to track Thanos on some random planet due to infinity energy being present, it's not far fetched the Nova Corps could do the same to either infinity hulk or Wanda. There are also countless ways to escape earth without going to space, Sorcerer portals for one, and who knows what can be done with infinity energy or reality magic. Floating around and keeping people in spaceships from leaving is pretty useless when instant teleportation exists + they know that both Thanos was there (and by extension infinity stones, which means space stone, which means instant teleportation), AND there is an insane amount of infinity energy.
They're also literally right outside earth's atmosphere. It's one thing to not know what's going on on a planet lightyears away, but a complete other to not know what's going on on a planet you're directly outside of 24/7. They would also likely monitor the planet (considering they know there's a zombie virus outbreak).
It's also likely they sent Ikaris to stop zombified captain marvel from escaping, so they clearly know SOMETHING about Earth. And if they didn't, then they're actually incompetent, as there are two insanely powerful beings fighting nonstop for 5 YEARS with energy off the charts and they still didn't know. Ikaris is essentially the only thing keeping the Nova Corps from being breached by Captain Marvel. They also been at a stalemate for 5 years, and if Captain Marvel wins or escapes, it's over for them.
Vision's cure didn't involve decapitation, Lang's body was just already damaged beyond repair, even after the virus was gone. Riri also did not amputate her arm lmao, she first injected something into the wound, and she clearly had both arms at the end. Did you even watch the show? If Vision and Riri can come up with a cure, there's no reason the Nova Corps couldn't.
Wanda mindlessly attacked the main cast since the beginning... Most of the deaths including randoms was because of Wanda (not even zombifying, straight up killing) even though it does not contribute anything to her plan. What was the motive behind killing say Zemo? Also if she wanted Kamala to cooperate, killing her friends is probably about the worse way to go about it. If Wanda knew about Kamala all this time, she could've just had a talk with her disguised as a human in the beginning, instead of sending Hawkeye to attack them... Not even gonna mention how multiple times, Kamala was put in harms way due to Wanda. If Kamala died her whole plan goes to shit.
And attacking Infinity hulk is the worst possible move she could've made. If infinity hulk goes down the whole world does. Not only that, but she needed Kamala there to even use the power. If Kamala didn't show up, or if the sorcerers didn't save her from the fall and she died, her entire plan goes to shit. Hell, if Kamala refused to let Wanda use her in the end, her plan still goes to shit. Her entire plan requires Kamala cooperating within an arms reach of a subdued infinity hulk.
We don’t know what Wanda did. She put Kamala in an illusion yes, but that doesn’t require changing the whole world. She did more, which we will learn about in season 2.
> So how did Wanda figure out she needed Kamala for this job? How did she find out Kamala existed?
These are good questions. It’s probably some handwave of an explanation about “magic” and “sensing the power within”.
> Wanda attacking Infinity Hulk for energy makes less sense, because if infinity hulk falls, the world gets overrun by infinity energy, which would wipe the humans and zombies
Not if she uses the Infinity Energy to rewrite reality. She could have remade the Stones for all we know.
> Khonshu was omniscient enough to both locate Kamala somehow, despite having zero contact or knowledge about her prior, to pinpoint her exact location so Blade could rescue her, AND figure out what the transmitter is and does, and that Kamala and her friends had it.
Khonshu has vaguely defined ‘night sky’ powers and declares himself the protector of everyone who travels at night, so my guess is he can see anything under the night sky, which would lead them to Kamala when she was in danger. I will say that I was bothered at times by Khonshu seemingly knowing too much, because the Moon Knight show definitely shows us Khonshu is not omniscient.
> The sorcerers also had 5 YEARS, since they rescued Peter and Lang right away from the explosion. And apparently all Spiderman and antman has been doing the last 5 years is just sit around
If you want a show about what Kamar Taj has been up to for 5 years during the zombie apocalypse, that’s going to be a whole other show. My guess is they’ve been building a stronghold and trying to take in as many people as their resources can support. We only saw a courtyard - the school could have expanded to protect all of Kathmandu or even all of Nepal, we just don’t have enough information to say they’ve done nothing for 5 years.
> Thanos only bled a single drop after a bunch of direct attacks from Iron Man. Some random human zombie is not getting to him.
Yes, but there were lots of superpowered and nonhuman zombies who could attack him and draw a single drop of blood, which would be enough. There are more ways than tricking him into eating zombie meat.
How does this sound: Corvus Glaive and Proxima Midnight are sent after the Mind Stone and turned by zombie Wanda. Thanos, not expecting Proxima and Corvus to attack him is surprised when they do. Corvus manages to nick Thanos, drawing blood. Thanos kills them both but some of their infected blood gets in his wound and turns him.
> They could've easily wrote out black panther without the infinity energy nonsense, which lead to infinity hulk. Could've easily had Wanda chase the stones instead of attacking infinity hulk which could lead to the destruction of the entire planet.
They absolutely could have. It wasn’t a plot hole though.
> The Nova Corps should at the very least know about Wanda.
Again, why? How?
> They would also pick up on the infinity energy that hulk is keeping at bay, which is another thing they should care about.
I assume they have picked up on the energy and do care, but what are they going to do about it? Attack Hulk?
> There are also countless ways to escape earth without going to space, Sorcerer portals for one, and who knows what can be done with infinity energy or reality magic. Floating around and keeping people in spaceships from leaving is pretty useless when instant teleportation exists + they know that both Thanos was there (and by extension infinity stones, which means space stone, which means instant teleportation), AND there is an insane amount of infinity energy.
Again, the Nova Corps doesn’t know Earth has sorcerers. Most of Earth doesn’t know Earth has sorcerers. Asgard didn’t know Earth had sorcerers and Asgard had a much closer relationship with Earth than Xandar.
They know Thanos was there with the Stones, but if they can detect the Infinity Energy from the Hulk, then they can figure out that the Stones are destroyed and their energies gone wild.
> It's one thing to not know what's going on on a planet lightyears away, but a complete other to not know what's going on on a planet you're directly outside of 24/7. They would also likely monitor the planet.
I have no doubt they’re monitoring the planet, but it’s hard to get a comprehensive idea of the exact goings on when monitoring from outside Earth’s orbit. They likely have ways to track infected population and movement, but that doesn’t mean they should know a reality-warping zombie witch is trying to remake reality.
> Vision's cure didn't involve decapitation
Right, it has been a while since I watched the original What If? episode, I got that wrong. Vision’s cure did involve an Infinity Stone, however, which is a power beyond what the Nova Corps can achieve.
> Riri also did not amputate her arm lmao, she first injected something into the wound, and she clearly had both arms at the end.
To me, it looked like she was wearing a prosthetic. The injection, I figured was a vasoconstrictor to cut off the circulation and buy her time.
> Did you even watch the show?
I did. There’s no need to be derisive.
> Also if she wanted Kamala to cooperate, killing her friends is probably about the worse way to go about it. If Wanda knew about Kamala all this time, she could've just had a talk with her disguised as a human in the beginning, instead of sending Hawkeye to attack them
Wanda didn’t send the horde that killed Kate and (supposedly)Riri. They didn’t have the red glowing eyes indicating they were under Wanda’s control. Nor did she send Hawkeye after them at the beginning (again, no red eyes); Hawkeye didn’t come under Wanda’s power until after they left New York when Okoye found him at the Quinn Jet crash site.
We don’t know exactly when Wanda became aware of Kamala and her Bangle.
> if Kamala refused to let Wanda use her in the end, her plan still goes to shit. Her entire plan requires Kamala cooperating within an arms reach of a subdued infinity hulk.
Yes, which is why her plan involved setting up a situation where Kamala would be within an arms reach of a subdued Infinity Hulk and feel pressured into cooperating.
She knew she had a zombie horde large enough to weaken the Hulk.
She was confident that she could use the Infinity Energy if/when Hulk failed.
She knew Kamala and her friends wouldn’t be able to stand by and let her attack Hulk and take the energy.
She had mental dominion over her armies to prevent them from killing the one person she didn’t want killed.
She gambled that Kamala would give her access to the Bangle to save her friends.
She had it pretty well covered.
It’s likely infinity hulk didn’t go down, and that Wanda only briefly used his powers along with Kamala to do whatever she did. Either way, it’s a huge gamble for seemingly no reason (we don’t know why Wanda is doing any of this and if it’s even beneficial to anyone). Not to mention banking on Kamala cooperating.
The sorcerers are probably one of the only ones who can get off earth easily via portals, and it would make a lot of sense for them to have recruited more people than just Peter and lang. they very least have an escape route if things go bad, which they never really mention. You can also argue that if they knew about Peter and lang at wakanda, and they knew about Kamala and everyone else falling in the sky, that there’s no reason why they wouldn’t have known sooner. They also were the ones to have gotten to hulk, despite the last we see of him fighting Wanda. It’s not far fetched to think they could have found out about Shang chi (the 10 rings are probably well known) and his crew, or maybe even Melina red guardian and the widows (the mind control technology was pretty useful + a whole horde of passive zombies outside). Instead they felt more like a plot device to save them only when they were about to die, which happened twice, with Peter and lang, and when everyone fell out of the spaceship
It’s also reasonable to assume the sorcerers did know about the nova corps being there and keeping everyone from leaving, since they were not surprised or confused to find out about this when the main cast’s ship was destroyed (but khonshu didn’t know somehow), and it would’ve been nice if they informed everyone that the transmitter wasn’t doing to do any good earlier.
The nova corps should know about Wanda due to her being extremely powerful on a zombified world. If they are monitoring earth, one of the things they should do is monitor powerful beings. They should be well aware the only thing stopping them from being breached is ikaris, it’s even possible they sent ikaris there to stalemate captain marvel. It’s not like Wanda was hiding the entire time either, she is freely using her powers which stems from the mind stone (I know there is a retcon saying she always had powers and the mind stone just awakened them, but it was specifically stated they needed Wanda to destroy the mind stone due to their similar nature), which surely would’ve been picked up.
The Thanos minions becoming zombies and then infecting him doesn’t work well, since we know the second cull obsidian and ebony maw showed up on earth, the virus was in full effect (possibly for a while now). Assuming proxima midnight and Corvus glaive attacked vision at the same time, Wanda had to have been effected already (otherwise they win due to no cap falcon or widow to save them), and vision would honestly be more likely dead, since zombie Wanda at the time wasn’t really operating on conscious thought, and would likely not protect vision well enough. Wanda was also just weaker overall back then although becoming a zombie could’ve made her stronger.
Not to mention the zombified glaive and midnight would’ve had to figure out how to get back to their ship despite being mindless zombies now, fly to wakanda, and attack Thanos. If Thanos was even infected at wakanda. It’s likely he was on titan the whole time, given he was able to get the soul stone, and the rendezvous point was titan (Tony and peter and strange don’t show up, but guardians likely still do). We also know zombie Thanos dealt with strange (somehow) since he had the time stone. Strange wouldn’t have had any reason to even contact Thanos, since the only reason he was on titan was because he was abducted, and he was likely dealing with the zombie outbreak when he was infected.
I think the implied narrative here was that Thanos was infected at wakanda by the wakandans who were breached, rather than him being infected before (if he was infected off planet, he’d have no reason to go to earth). But then, why was Thanos at wakanda to begin with, since the only reason he was there was to get the mind stone from vision (who was not at wakanda). Also Thanos was completely blindsighted by hulk, who does no visible damage to him, and Loki too. I doubt a glaive and midnight who visibly looks zombified would had a chance against Thanos with 5 stones. Not to mention Thanos being smart enough to use the time stone to reverse any infection (he was smart enough to use it to revive vision)
Again the final plan requires Wanda to know Kamala and her friends even survived the nova corps, knows about infinity hulk (they had no idea infinity hulk was a thing, aside from maybe blade, but he never talks about it) could travel to infinity hulk in time (which would have been impossible without the sorcerers), and that she’d be able to find a window to get close to hulk and have Kamala there at the same time, AND Kamala had to cooperate. Anything less and it would’ve failed, including all the times Kamala could’ve died, or the off chance the sorcerers didn’t get to them (they can’t travel to infinity hulk in time or even know about it).
So you’ve decided that Wanda’s plan had no point to it, because you didn’t see exactly what she achieved at the end and no one will convinced you otherwise, so I’m not going to try anymore.
I am confident that there was more to what she changed than making an illusion for Kamala to live in, which we will learn all about when the series continues, but if you want to believe that’s all she did and the matter is settled, then fine.
> It’s likely infinity hulk didn’t go down, and that Wanda only briefly used his powers along with Kamala to do whatever she did
I agree, but Wanda remade the world, she likely did something to reshape and contain the Infinity Energy.
> The sorcerers are probably one of the only ones who can get off earth easily via portals, and it would make a lot of sense for them to have recruited more people than just Peter and lang . . . Instead they felt more like a plot device to save them only when they were about to die.
There is just too much we don’t know about what Kamar Taj has been doing for 5 years. We can’t say they haven’t recruited more people. We can’t say who they know about when. We can’t say what their priorities are for recruiting and rescuing people. They have magic but they’re still people who need to balance their resources.
I agree that they were absolutely used as a deus ex machina. But just because they’re underdeveloped doesn’t mean their presence is a plot hole.
Again, if you want to assume that the sorcerers have been sitting around twiddling their thumbs for five years, I guess I won’t change your mind, but I’m confident they’ve been doing things to help the people they can.
> Not to mention the zombified glaive and midnight would’ve had to figure out how to get back to their ship despite being mindless zombies now.
None other of the other zombies are mindless, they all retain skills and knowledge, so why are Glaive and Proxima mindless in this situation?
> If Thanos was even infected at wakanda. It’s likely he was on titan the whole time, given he was able to get the soul stone, and the rendezvous point was titan . . . But then, why was Thanos at wakanda to begin with, since the only reason he was there was to get the mind stone from vision (who was not at wakanda).
I agree that Thanos’s timeline in collecting the Stones and showing up in Wakanda is harder to reconcile between Infinity War and Zombies, but it is possible so it’s not a plot hole.
> Also Thanos was completely blindsighted by hulk, who does no visible damage to him, and Loki too. I doubt a glaive and midnight who visibly looks zombified would had a chance against Thanos with 5 stones. Not to mention Thanos being smart enough to use the time stone to reverse any infection
Hulk did blindside Thanos and got several good hits, which shows that Thanos can be surprised and hit when he isn’t expecting it.
Hulk attacked Thanos with blunt fists, good for bruising and bludgeoning, but not good for breaking skin. If Corvus surprises Thanos and gets one good hit in with his uru glaive, there’s a single clean cut to get infected.
I can think of this and a few other situations where Thanos could get infected, but if you want to say it’s impossible and see it as a plot hole, I guess I’m not convincing you otherwise.
> Again the final plan requires Wanda to know Kamala and her friends even survived the nova corps, knows about infinity hulk (they had no idea infinity hulk was a thing, aside from maybe blade, but he never talks about it) could travel to infinity hulk in time (which would have been impossible without the sorcerers), and that she’d be able to find a window to get close to hulk and have Kamala there at the same time, AND Kamala had to cooperate. Anything less and it would’ve failed, including all the times Kamala could’ve died, or the off chance the sorcerers didn’t get to them (they can’t travel to infinity hulk in time or even know about it).
The Nova Corps weren’t part of Wanda’s plan at all. It was lucky for her that the sorcerers saved Kamala just as it was unlucky for her that the Nova Corps nearly killed Kamala in the first place.
They did know Infinity Hulk was a thing because Wanda told them about Infinity Hulk and her plan to steal his power when they met in New Asgard.
From Wanda’s perspective, the good guys had a space ship that could take them to Wakanda in time.
Yes the final part of the plan was difficult to pull off, but Wanda had an army of zombified asgardians to subdue Hulk, telepathic powers to control her army and prevent them from killing Kamala, telekinetic powers to pull Kamala towards her in the key moment, and pawns to sacrifice and threaten in order to make Kamala give up the bangle to save her friends
Whatever they did the last 5 years, its evident that they only had like 3-4 sorcerers combined with peter, lang, and kamala and co to fend off what would potentially be a world ending event. They have some sort of outer knowledge, seeing their ability to precisely locate people at the exact right time, but seem to be in the dark on most matters. The plot hole is them existing all this time without much influence, which is weird, because we know they were fully capable (they were the ones who came up with infinity hulk). Also how exactly did they know Wanda was going after infinity hulk? Infinity hulk has been around for 5 years, and its assumed that Wanda never attacked him before, or if she did
Most instantly abandon any objective they have as a human once they turn zombie. Like how the avengers turned into savages. Glaive and Midnight would be no different. There wouldn't be a reason for them to even get back to their ship, or travel to Wakanda, or Thanos.
Thanos being at Wakanda was absolutely a plothole, since Vision was nowhere close. He wouldn't randomly teleport himself to earth. Also what about Thanos using the time stone to reverse zombification? he uses the time stone to reverse vision to bring him back.
If you think it was a bad writing decision, I’m not going to argue. I was fine with it - I feel it added weight to the cliffhanger, but not everyone likes cliffhangers like that.
> there is no saving her motivations, unless its some shit outta left field . . .
I’m not really sure what you mean here. Her motivations were influenced by the zombie virus. Whatever she did, it was for the benefit of the zombies.
I think Kamala only got put in an illusion as part of some twisted sense of honor, like ‘we made a deal’
> Whatever they did the last 5 years, its evident that they only had like 3-4 sorcerers . . . The plot hole is them existing all this time without much influence, which is weird.
If you’re wondering why they aren’t doing things like jumping in to save people in situations like the Raft being attacked, maybe they did do that for a while, but a mission went wrong, and that’s why they have so few sorcerers.
Maybe they focused their efforts on the surrounding area so they wouldn’t have to portal everywhere and all of Nepal is a magically fortified haven, but most of their sorcerers are occupied upholding the barrier and can’t be spared to fight Wanda.
Sure, maybe they’ve been hiding in the school, slowly dying of starvation under zombie siege, but that feels like the least satisfying explanation.
We just don’t have enough information about Kamar Taj.
> Thanos being at Wakanda was absolutely a plothole, since Vision was nowhere close. He wouldn't randomly teleport himself to earth.
I feel like Thanos would have to go to Earth. He would go to Titan to rendezvous with the Black Order, who wouldn’t show up. So Thanos would go to Earth to find out what happened to them.
From there, there’s a couple options that could happen, one such chain of events could be:
Thanos goes to New York and takes the Time Stone from Strange’s body.
From there, he travels to Camp Lehigh, tracking Corvus and Proxima. He is momentarily distracted by the zombie horde gathered outside Vision’s hideout, allowing zombie Corvus and Proxima to get a surprise hit in, breaking the skin.
Thanos kills them, getting their blood on him and infecting the wound. He doesn’t use the Time Stone at this point because he either doesn’t even notice the small cut, or is arrogant enough to assume he’s immune to the virus.
Thanos gets turned into a zombie. He doesn’t use the Time Stone to undo the infection because now that he’s a zombie, he doesn’t want to. It’s a brain altering illness that makes the host want to spread the infection - same reason why Wanda didn’t really cure herself.
Now a zombie, Thanos is repulsed by the frequency of the Mind Stone and driven by the desire to spread the infection, so he uses the Stones to track down and transport himself to the largest remaining bastion of uninfected on Earth: Wakanda, which is hidden behind its forcefields.
If your original post had complained about the show being undeveloped and having too many loose threads and listing the same points you did, I would have agreed with most of them. But a lot of your plot holes can be filled with a little logic and creativity.
The show isn’t illogical and inconsistent; it’s underdeveloped and rushed, trying to cram as many characters in as possible to the detriment of fleshing out plot.
She learns about Kamala when Hawkeye joins her hivemind.
She sends Okoye into Melina’s compound to get the Nova Corps beacon and sees the bangle in action through Okoye’s eyes.
She comes up with a plan to use the bangle.
She sends Namor to flush Kamala out of the Raft.
She tries to convince Kamala everything is a big misunderstanding and they can work together to take Infinity Hulk’s power.
Kamala says ‘No’ so she puts plan B into action.
She gathers her army around Infinity Hulk and waits for Kamala to come stop her.
The show is far from perfect. It’s not even very good. But it’s not full of plot holes.
I have my own problems and questions.
Like how Namor and the Talocanil got infected; the only explanations I can think of are pretty contrived. Or, how Wenwu showed up in San Francisco within hours of the outbreak. Was he already in America?
They aren’t plot holes just because I can’t think of satisfying explanations. They can be explained, but they don’t need to be explored in depth on screen.
The plan rests on not only Kamala agreeing, but her able to catch infinity hulk off guard long enough to use his powers, which was a very small window. Kamala and the crew also had zero knowledge of infinity hulks existence until the sorcerers told them. Wanda attacking hulk the exact moment they found out is kinda weird. Also keep in mind she had no idea where they were, and they only showed up in time because of the sorcerer portals. Wanda would’ve had to know that they knew about hulk and had the means to get there in time, and banked it all on Kamala agreeing and hulk being caught off guard. This seems like a suspicious amount of information and risk, that would only “make sense” if she had foresight.
Just because her plan was difficult to pull off doesn’t make it a plot hole.
Wanda told Kamala and crew about Infinity Hulk when they were in New Asgard so they would know where to come and stop her.
If they in fact need to eat, then any theory involving that Wanda wanted the zombies and humans to "coexist" by giving humans illusions is BS then, if eventually the zombies would need to eat everyone anyway. Also a lot of the kills didn't result in them eating, they were straight kills, like how Walker and Zemo were killed.
It's a plot hole because she assumed things that there's no way she would've known (unless it's some sort of foresight), also I'm pretty sure infinity hulk wasn't even mentioned until the sorcerers rescued Kamala and her friends, or at least in the beginning of episode 3, since this is when we learn of what happened to Thanos.
That’s getting into general zombie genre mechanics that aren’t a specific problem to this show, but the genre as a whole.
> any theory involving that Wanda wanted the zombies and humans to "coexist" by giving humans illusions is BS then.
Yeah, I thought it was pretty obvious that Wanda was full of shit on that point.
> I'm pretty sure infinity hulk wasn't even mentioned until the sorcerers rescued Kamala and her friends.
No. Wanda told them about Hulk half way through episode 3, before she turned the Asgardians.
She tells them about “the Wakanda Event” and how ‘someone’ is hording the power she needs to save the world.
Plans need to be adaptable. Wanda nearly caught them and stopped them from escaping in the spaceship. If she had, she could just keep them hostage and bring them to Infinity Hulk herself. But Thor stepped in and they got away, so she had to adapt. She gathered her armies around Infinity Hulk and trusted that Kamala would show up to try and stop her.