What’s a welcome change to the source material that you liked?

I will say, I do miss how organized the fight is though. Adam Warlock planned waves of enemies to wear him out and distract him before the big cosmic hitters came to bat.

I hope we get some type of truly strategic and organized battle at some point. My biggest gripe with endgame is how weirdly paced and bland the final battle was between the armies. But hey, at least Wakanda got some cool military scenes.

Only the power stone seems to have the drawback (the rest get it while you have multiple), probably because of its huge raw power

Not completely a change since Tony was operating publicly as Iron Man in comics before the movie was released. But skipping the whole bodyguard cover story was definitely the right decision.

I agree, it's perfect. It not only calls to mind the Ancient Egypt theme while still keeping the color motif, but it's also thematically fitting, because Khonshu himself could be represented as a mummy in Egyptian art and Marc is literally reborn from death as Moon Knight. It's not something they chose just because Egypt=mummy.

is it ever established what his costume is made of in the comics? i imagine it'd be a lot more annoying to draw that way. but, it could be hand waved away in explanation

The changes served to distance him from Batman comparisons. Steven was essentially the playboy persona that Bruce Wayne uses in public, and Jake was Matches Malone. The multiple personality thing was a later development.

>people say his whole plan of killing half of life in Universe to solve overpopulation is dumb

(I know you're not arguing it,) But like, that's the point. He's not called *Thanos the Perfectly Rational Titan*.

Yeah I think Thanos’s comic motivations work FOR THE COMICS, but for the movies the change was 100% necessary.

Ugh, I upvoted you because I vehemently agree with points 1 and 2, and that 3 is dumb, but I don’t agree that it’s better than the Death motive.

Part of the problem is that nobody ever pushed back against his motivations in the movies and how utterly stupid they are. It was presented in the movies as a just and appropriate motivation, to the point that it even fooled half the internet into “Thanos wasn’t wrong” type bullshit.

But at least in the Comics there was ample opportunity to tell Thanos again and again that what he was doing was idiotic not only morally but also because Death clearly wasn’t into it or him. He was actually portrayed as insane, entirely unlike the movies.

I dunno if this is widely discussed or not, but I think the Death thing was his original motivation in the movies too. Thanos’s first teaser appearance (in Avengers 1?) his henchman guy warns him that doing whatever it was he was doing “would be like courting death itself.” And he grins like yup, that’s the point.

Thanos also didn’t use a helicopter which I think is a good change from canon

I feel the need to point out, constantly, that the overpopulation thing is not something created by the screenwriters, it literally came from an issue of Silver Surfer (Vol 3 #35) where Thanos spends the whole story explaining the need for a re-balancing of the universe's population to Norrin. Thanos was a well-written, multifaceted villain.

Well John hinckley jr tried killing Ronald Regan to get Jodie Fosters attention so Thanos wiping out half the population for Deaths anttention isn’t unrealistic.

They really did keep all of the best parts of Thanos from the source material. In Thanos Quest, he’s extremely smart and also loves to chat it up with his opponents. But they leaned into the madness of his belief system too much to really adapt into film. By changing his ultimate motivations, they allowed space to explore how fervently he believes in his own philosophy without getting too ridiculous for the modern moviegoing audience. That led to an absolutely iconic villain, and I wouldn’t change a thing

> Thanos' motivation change. I know some people say his whole plan of killing half of life in Universe to solve overpopulation is dumb, but I think it's way better than him being in love with Death and trying to get her attention.

Granted is that because more of the meme of him being in love with Death? Thanos doesn't love Death like he wants to fuck her. He loves Death like a Christian would love Jesus. Thanos is suicidal, loves Death, worships Death, wishes to be with Death, and will kill everyone to be with Death. But Death doesn't want him so he lives. In Thanos Imperative he goes to the "Cancerverse" a Universe where Death was destroyed and no one can die. The Captain Marvel of that universe believes he can end death in the 616 Universe by killing the Avatar of Death(Thanos) in doing so he brought Death to the Cancerverse and everything was killed. Afterwords he said: "I cannot lie. When I found you had let me come back unkillable, I despaired. I should have known you had a plan for me. I've done what you needed me to do. I did it for you. Now take me with you end this empty existence and let me stay at your side forever." But he is rejected by Death and forced to still live. It isn't sexual he just wants to be by Death's side forever which for him to be by her side he must die. Imagine if Christian that decided that to be one with Jesus he had to kill everyone else to be with him basically.

Issue is that is a lot to try to place into the MCU without a movie just about Thanos which wouldn't sell.

The costume and the backstory for sure. Vulture in the comics looks goofy as hell.

jesus i remember the tension in the car ride. crazy, felt like I was the one having spider sense lol

The Vulture is such a good small potatoes villain. Like not end of the world level threat, but still super threatening and scary in the moment

And Vulture being an actual scavenger is more thematic to the name

Yeah basically everything they did with Vulture i prefer in the MCU vs how he is in the comics

I love how well the record-scratch moment works at the door, especially the first time, but even on the rewatch you can feel the tonal shift slamming on the brakes and smacking your forehead on the dashboard/seat in front of you.

They do such a good job with the dance-prep montage setting up the carefree, back to normal, happy kid high school life, that it just slaps you in the face to see Michael Keaton standing there, with the full force of the dramatic irony nuke dropped right in "Pete's" lap with a super loud ticking clock counting down, as if Peter is supposed to cut the wire and disarm the bomb but can't tell which wire to pick, and would rather just run like heck and get outta there.

I loved that they kept the reveal out of the trailers too

I remember being genuinely surprised myself at the reveal. Like I felt that drop in your stomach feel when Peter pulled up for his girl and it was fucking Vulture

Whoever directed that whole part is genius. I’ve never had a non scary movie make me feel like that

Imho he was amazing and Michael Keaton played the shit out of that roll. Top 3 villains in the MCU

I maintain this is the second greatest father reveal in pop culture movies because it only works because of internal biases we have of what a family looks like. Had Liz been white, this twist would have been seen from a mile away. Genius concept that really pulled the rug from under everyone involved. So good

I did like how they played up the difference in the Spiderverse.

Wouldn't bio webbing be also traceable? Plus it's mention that the artificial webs dissolve in a few hours, after all if it didn't New York would be full of webs.

I think the web shooters are less traceable because the chemicals used to make them are all common ingredients in any high school chemistry class. Organic webshooters would contain traces of his DNA as he is producing the webs inside his body.

I don't mind the web shooters now, but having learned that comic Psidey users web shooters after having seen the Raimi movies, I found it strange that there's a superhero named Spider-man who has actual spider based powers and is most known for webslinging doesn't actually have webslinging powers, that he's also a science whiz who invented them. It just feels like an unnecessary extra step to get there, you know? And weird that Spider-Man's most spider-like ability is not one of his powers. Sure, the wall crawling, but lots of animals and insects can climb walls, onlh spiders have webs

Also Kamala's powers being changed. Her new powers are way cooler IMO.

Well the trainwreck was still there, as evidenced by the snap, just that he had priorities.

For 2, the thing in the comics where he had only like 30 seconds of being away from mjölnir before turning in to Blake would have been horrible in the MCU.

Trainwreck Hawkeye is unfortunately peak

> Eliminating Thor's civilian identity as Donald Blake, apart from a throwaway gag in his first movie.

He also had the Mjölnir umbrella in Ragnarok.

4. might have been fine from a Carol Danvers point of view, but It was a disservice to Mar-Vell, I know he's not the most popular superhero, what a downgrade.

No longer a Kree Warrior dedicated to protecting humanity after defecting from his people, the kree, he is now a she that is a scientist that defected to protect skrulls. but that isn't my main gripe.

not only is she relegated to flashbacks, due to her death prior to the story, but the way she dies was so bad. didn't even put up a fight, asks carol to fly her somewhere, they get shot down, and she's shot while she hazily tries to pull out a gun to destroy the lightspeed engine. and that's it, she's basically unimportant to the remaining plot until Carol for some reason calls herself Captain Marvel, after a woman we as the audience didn't really get to meet because she was just in a series of short flashbacks. I dare anyone to describe her personality to me.

I don't mind the gender bending, but they could have at least depicted her better. here's a change:

They get the Black box from Talos in the middle of the movie right? they listen to the blackbox recording and Carol does indeed remember the flight as she listens to it, we as the audience are shown a flashback, and we do see that she is shot before yon-rogg appears and carol explodes the lightspeed engine and she gets powers.

they then fly to the invisible space station orbiting earth. now here's the change: PLOT TWIST, Mar-Vell is alive! she actually survived getting shot, and when carol blew up the engine, Yon-rogg, thinking Mar-vell died from both getting shot and being so close to the explosion, doesn't bother checking Mar-vell again and simply takes Carol with them, leading to them training Carol (now called Vers).

The Remaining Skrulls in the space station found her body comatose and brought her back to the station, where they all hid for six years. She had only recently woken up, and using discrete signals, tried to contact Talos and the other skrulls (and this is another change I'll do start the movie with Yon-rogg, Vers and the Starforce Kree Squad being tasked with investigating reports that the skrulls are mobilizing again in the shadows, which is now explained by Mar-vell's attempt to call them.).

the rest of the movie now continues, with the added change that we now actually get to see Mar-Vell interact with the rest of the cast, instead of being this blank random scientist that shows up in Carol's Flashbacks. she gets to inspire Carol in person as she resists against Starforce. (for god's sake make her a fighter too, give her some action.)

Mar-vell dies fighting back against starforce, Carol gets captured, she removes the inhibitor chip the kree put on her (you could even add the final moments Mar-vell just spent with Carol just minutes earlier to things that inspire her to resist the supreme intelligence), then movie follows the same plot.

in the end, the movie actually gives a moment to mourn Mar-vell, and we can see an actual reason why Carol chooses to be called Captain Marvel.

(additionally, you could add a quick subplot about how experimenting on the Tesseract literally gave Mar-vell cancer, referencing how the comic Mar-vell died to cancer. and this makes her even more inspiring to Carol, not only is Mar-vell continuing to fight against the Kree, she's doing so weak and dying from cancer, and she does it courageously. also you could put the reason she immediately tried to call Talos as soon as she woke up from the coma because she knew she was dying.)

The only one of these I disagree with is Barton. I thought the family out of nowhere was weird, and I was sort of looking forward to the CB version. Still, I do think Hawkeye is one of its better shows.


Marvel doesn't really do teen sidekicks. Any that still exist are holdovers from the original stories. The only time a group of younger people being led by an older mentor is really mutant and inhuman related stories due to how those groups get their powers.

I’m not sure why they didn’t do WinterWidow, they knew since casting Sebastian that they were going to do The Winter Soldier plotlines. My only thought is that Feige wasn’t streamlining things in the same way he is now back then, and Whedon had already decided on the romance with Banner. My other thought is that there’s something that Feige doesn’t like about Bucky and/or Sebastian, because he has wasted the character in a lot of ways, not just missing out on WinterWidow.

That's because she was combined with Angela (and also Enchantress).

Hela became my favorite MCU villain with her interactions with T&L.

I like Billy being morally grey too. It gives characters an arc and something to wrestle with.

Yup, allowed for all the classic F4 hijinks (like Diablo in his classic goofy ass suit) to simultaneusly exist and not disrupt the established tone of the MCU.

The car scene alone when he finds out was literally perfect.

I think 90% of the Agatha changes have been good, though I do think if Wanda comes back she and Agatha have a great deal to discuss.

Everyone's dead.

This isn't talked about enough, by far.

It is the right term, yes.

Agree with this one! I wasn't super familiar with the comics, but loved this movie and when I went back and looked into the Comic backstory of Namor, I was like "no way, the movie did him better!"