> "It’s about intergenerational trauma… fathers and sons and denial of pain and denial of your own truth and coming to terms with who and what you are."
While this almost certainly refers to the returning Ultron (James Spader), who is technically Vision's "father," intergenerational trauma would seem to suggest that Vision's own son will also be involved. This would appear to confirm the fan-theory that Ruaridh Mollica's "Tucker" will ultimately turn out to be the vessel for Tommy Maximoff, aka Speed.
Benyed1232025-09-29 16:14
Don’t forget Ultron’s own “fathers” in Banner and Stark.
CeruleanEidolon2025-09-29 17:09
I know it's too much to hope for for a cameo from RDJ, but if it was ever going to happen, this would be the right time for it.
SharpshootinTearaway2025-09-29 17:30
That's such an unrealistic wish but it'd be so great! I would have loved to see more interactions between Tony and Vision.
The way he corrects Banner when he tells him “Tony you lost another superbot?” by telling him that Vision is different, that he's evolving, I feel like Tony would have been one of the greatest supporters of Vision affirming his independence as a person and not property.
He'd have been fascinated to see an artificial being, that he assisted in the creation of, fall in love. Vision is perhaps one of his greatest technological achievements. It would make sense that, in his quest to find who he is, what he is, and where he fits in the world, Vision would have a flashback of an interaction he may have had with Tony about why he was created, and whether or not he is now allowed to chart his own course.
Purpledolphy2025-09-30 01:43
I’d love to see more possible crumbs between Tony and Vision. Maybe I’m being delusional, but I always thought that there was way more to explore between the two of them, especially since JARVIS was basically repurposed to give life to Vision.
I literally cling to that scene you mentioned about Tony saying how Vision is “…more than that…” and later, when Vision and Wanda find out what happened back in New York while they’re in Scotland. Vision’s quiet “I have to go,” after seeing that they deemed Tony missing on the news- both those moments live rent free in my head o(-(
Trvr_MKA2025-10-01 10:01
You’re more likely to get a Banner appearance where he brings up a conversation he had with Tony
DanTheMan_6222025-09-29 17:23
I never really considered that Bruce and Tony are sort of Billy and Tommy's great grandfathers lol
justafanboy10102025-09-29 18:42
I swear if there’s a scene reminiscent of Toy Story 2 with Fake Buzz and Zurg playing catch, I wouldn’t be against it
CaleBoi252025-09-30 00:49
/#GiveTheFansWhatTheyWant
vinnybawbaw2025-09-29 15:57
So Tommy’s there isn’t he ?
AsteroidMike2025-09-29 17:58
It would be the most logical thing to include him. Maybe we see Billy again too.
AverageGatsby912025-09-30 00:42
Sure but what about Shute?
I wonder how hard it will be for Bettany to drop 2 weight classes
FafnirSnap_94282025-09-29 15:59
The Maximoff grief and trauma trilogy continues or perhaps concludes.
_jackychain2025-09-29 16:36
I don’t see how it can conclude without Wanda and vision reuniting
zero_eternal2025-09-29 17:34
Agreed and I doubt they're gonna suddenly resurrect Wanda in a 6-part D+ series either.
Also, weren't there talks of a Scarlet Witch movie to cap off the trilogy?
Hobbies-memes2025-09-29 17:55
There always “talks” of a lot.
LeopardComfortable992025-09-29 19:28
Vision Quest could be a lot more literal than we expect. Vision gets a Vision that Wanda is still alive and goes on a quest to find her.
luvu3330002025-09-30 03:49
Say that again...
sweens902025-10-01 01:37
I see a journey in front of me, I view this adventure as an opportunity as important. This vision of a quest.
Third grade english paying off
RoutineCloud59932025-09-29 19:53
Isn't Wanda rumored to be in Doomsday, which is coming out before this?
ZealousidealSite77202025-09-29 20:06
I’m super hopeful that it’s one of the unannounced “reserved” projects that they’ve blocked off but haven’t announced.
sweens902025-10-01 01:35
I think the natural progression would be a movie with the following:
- Wanda, Billy, Tommy, Vision as the good guys
- Mephisto as bad guy
- Ironheart as the mix of magic and machine (starts as bad guy but maybe changes)
- Agatha wild card
N8CCRG2025-09-29 18:25
Only if you expect a happy ending. If their story continues to be a tragic story it can work that way without them reuniting.
akgiant2025-09-29 18:28
Because sometimes we don't get a happy ending, sometimes we make best out of what life throws at us. I think processing grief and loss and not getting the "happy ending" is much more powerful.
We don't just get back our lost love ones, no matter how hard we wish we could. But we can figure out how to continue on.
_jackychain2025-09-29 18:29
Uhhh ya great speech and all, but uh they’ve clearly been teasing Wanda’s return
LADYBIRD_HILL2025-09-29 19:47
How exactly? Last we saw was her sacrificing herself at Wundergore and nothing else since. I don't recall Agatha all along teasing it at all.
Stingerbrg2025-09-30 15:55
After the first episode, any time someone brought up her being dead they were uncertain about it. Not enough that I'd say they were hinting at Wanda definitely still being alive, but enough to leave room if they do want to bring her back they can point to the uncertainty.
greenroom6282025-09-29 20:40
just because wanda might come back doesn't mean it'll be vision and wanda again.
PikaV20022025-09-29 18:36
I mean, Wanda still didn’t get any of that. She got that for the Vision but not for her kids post-MoM.
If they didn’t insist on butchering the character and going full nostalgia bait mode for the next movies, her Secret Wars ending would have her losing her powers to save the Multiverse and living a normal life like she wanted like Cap got in Endgame.
RubiconPizzaDelivery2025-09-30 00:51
To be fair I think that's exactly what the Lang family story is gonna be. Scott dying and simply being a tragic death that spurs Cassie on to being a better hero and a better person.
Garfunkels_roadie2025-09-30 21:54
Then they should have done in Quantamania and actually had Kang kill Scott
RubiconPizzaDelivery2025-09-30 22:57
That's one of the big complaints with that movie yes. Scott dying would have made Kang look like an actual threat.
BigMomFriendEnergy2025-09-29 20:00
I'm going with, "y'all, it ends with the false family Wanda created in the Hex becoming real (including Agatha because Marvel/Disney knows where its bread is buttered), and yes, probably the May 2027 movie is for The Return of the Scarlet Witch OR we find out at the end of VisionQuest that Wanda is being held in the TVA and VisionQuest leads directly into Doomsday."
OnlinePosterPerson2025-09-29 20:16
Hopefully the vision takes a more heroic turn. He doesn’t need to associate with someone like Wanda unless it’s to convince her to turn herself in.
SharpshootinTearaway2025-09-29 20:20
One of his variants chopped innocent people into pieces in order to feed Wanda after she got turned into a zombie. They are absolutely perfect for each other, lmao.
OnlinePosterPerson2025-09-29 20:23
That is a completely different character wth…
Don’t attribute behavior from an alternate universe to judge E-19999 Viz!
SharpshootinTearaway2025-09-29 20:31
The zombie universe branched out after Civil War, it's the same Vision coded the exact same way.
It's a constant in the comics as well. In universes where Wanda dies first, it's Vision who tends to lose his mind instead. He sure as hell did in The Last Avengers Story, for example. It's just part of their relationship, when something happens to one of them, the other loses their humanity and becomes dangerous. You're asking for a character that has nothing to do with who Vision is.
OnlinePosterPerson2025-09-29 21:06
Exactly…after civil war…as in the entire extent of his relationship with Wanda. These two versions shared a total of ZERO of that same dating history
SharpshootinTearaway2025-09-29 21:13
The one thing that differs between main-timeline Vision and zombie-universe Vision is that, when he and Wanda were frolicking in Scotland as she was on the run, one got stabbed by Corvus Glaive, and the other saw Wanda get bitten by a zombie and turn.
Which has no bearing on his relationship with Wanda, they grew closer in the exact same way before these two events and have the same dating history.
OnlinePosterPerson2025-09-30 00:40
So the universe DIDNT branch after civil war then…
SharpshootinTearaway2025-09-30 00:45
Wanda went on the run as a fugitive and Vision joined her after Civil War, yes.
FaultyToilet2025-09-30 17:06
They can keep it going and make it worse by introducing her dad
alenpetak112025-09-29 18:19
Stark bombs created Wanda's trauma and now partially Stark's creation had grief about losing Wanda and sons.
SharpshootinTearaway2025-09-29 18:39
The whole family is super messed up.
From Billy and Tommy's point of view, their mom (reluctantly) killed their dad. Twice. Their great-grandpa Stark indirectly killed their maternal grandparents. Their grandpa Ultron killed their uncle Pietro. And their mom and dad killed their grandpa Ultron (until, somehow, Ultron returned). And then their mom also reluctantly attempted to kill them because at this point it's tradition, welcome to the family, boys!
jramos0372025-09-29 19:13
What is Maximoff, if not grief persevering.
ChumpSucky2025-10-05 04:50
LOL my good man
SAM124892025-09-29 20:01
“What is trauma, if not grief persevering”
Citizen_Kong2025-09-29 16:03
I hope they let Spader play Ultron colder and menacing, like his character from Blacklist and less like a quippy Tony Stark-clone.
alex4942025-09-29 16:35
I hope he's gotten really creepy but also horny and has turned into Robert California.
RihoSucks2025-09-29 17:06
I hope he speaks with a Swedish accent!
framabe2025-09-29 17:14
Spader can speak with a Swedish Accent?
RihoSucks2025-09-29 17:17
Bonus points if he can't
edzkiyumzki2025-09-29 17:32
I am a Sveedish ~~plumber~~ robot I’m here to fix your ~~pipes~~ world
BandOfDonkeys2025-09-29 17:55
“It’s not about sex, it’s about power.”
alex4942025-09-29 17:57
"Do you want the nature metaphor or the sexual metaphor?"
"Oh god, the nature metaphor, please."
"When two animals are *having sex..."*
MisterTomServo2025-09-29 18:52
They haven't really improved on the Oreo, have they?
CaptHayfever2025-09-29 19:27
No joke, the Selena Gomez Oreos are amazing.
CaptHayfever2025-09-29 19:27
> I hope he's gotten really creepy but also horny and has turned into ~~Robert California~~ E. Edward Grey.
FTFY. ;)
FrostyBoom2025-09-29 23:07
Ultron surviving and partly taking refuge and being corrupted by Elon's twitter is one of the most terrifying prospects.
QuinnySpurs2025-09-29 16:53
Sounds like another light hearted marvel romp
Hyxenflay7737_45652025-09-29 16:55
Wonder if Tommy might show up, considering Ultron and Vision both have a connection to Wanda. Would also work with the 'father and son' theme.
CeruleanEidolon2025-09-29 17:11
That's a good bet, considering the way they set him up at the end of *Agatha All Along*.
PhotoBonjour_bombs192025-09-29 16:57
WandaVision and Agatha all along really enjoyed both of those, can’t wait for the final part of this Wanda saga with vision quest
AsteroidMike2025-09-29 18:00
Wonder if Wanda and Agatha will cross paths ever again in future content.
PhotoBonjour_bombs192025-09-29 18:22
Honestly I don’t know, you think it would be an obvious thing yet we still haven’t gotten an obvious Shang chi sequel yet
lemonylol2025-09-29 16:58
Remember when these stories had an element of fun escapism to them with *underlying* serious themes?
_PrincessOats2025-09-29 17:39
You can always watch those ones. Having something with serious themes is okay too.
lemonylol2025-09-29 17:40
I mean I do. I don't see why to shut down the discussion of that observation though.
Ammehoelahoep2025-09-29 17:41
I do, what about it?
lemonylol2025-09-29 17:42
Why is this their safe formula now?
Ammehoelahoep2025-09-29 17:45
I would neither call it safe or a formula. What's wrong with movies with deeper themes?
lemonylol2025-09-29 17:48
Nothing. What discussion are you having?
Ammehoelahoep2025-09-29 17:49
I'm just wondering what you're trying to say, it's kinda vague what you mean.
lemonylol2025-09-29 17:51
But you did, because you already disagreed.
> I would neither call it safe or a formula
Ammehoelahoep2025-09-29 18:00
Nevermind, have a nice day
PikaV20022025-09-29 18:39
What’s the “formula” again?
lemonylol2025-09-29 19:28
Generational trauma
SharpshootinTearaway2025-09-29 17:57
In the full Q&A, he explains that this *is* the underlying serious theme the exact same way WandaVision was about grief. He even admits that just summarizing the show to intergenerational trauma doesn't seem like the most appealing thing the same way that, if you told someone “WandaVision is a show about grief” they would run away.
That show ain't coming out until next fall. Obviously we're not going to have the full summary of what exactly it's about. Also, to some people, watching a hero break a cycle of abuse *is* escapism, because it doesn't really happen all that often in real life, lmao.
PikaV20022025-09-29 18:38
The vast majority of the stories are fun escapism. What are you on about?
This and WandaVision are the only two projects I can think of that don’t have escapism as the primary objective. Ironically enough WandaVision is a meta commentary on escapism.
The irony of someone with a Spider-Man flair saying this is funny.
Abides19482025-09-29 17:08
A marvel project being about somebody's daddy issues?
Ronenthelich2025-09-29 18:59
Never seen that before. Not once.
PiperPeriwinkle2025-09-29 22:16
Yep. Absolutely never Bethor seen. Loki, I hope this is good.
TelenorTheGNP2025-09-29 17:08
Sounds good.
Wolvescast2025-09-29 17:19
Finally, a Marvel project about fathers and sons.
Strong-Stretch952025-10-01 07:04
Yeah I feel like nowadays there aren’t that many story’s about fathers/sons relationships compared to father/daughter ones so it’s nice to see a change up.
DesperateFreedom2462025-09-29 17:21
I know I'll be watching it, but Jac Schaeffer blew me away with WandaVision and Agatha. Having a different show runner for what people are calling their sequel has me a bit apprehensive.
theperipherypeople2025-09-29 17:24
They did the 12 Monkeys TV show, I'm hyped af
nomedigasmentiritas2025-09-29 18:57
Same! I heard Jac Shaeffer recommended him, and 12 Monkeys is so good, I have big hopes it'll be a really good show 🤞
imageofvictory2025-09-29 20:48
If it's any solace, the same producer is involved (Mary Livanos), along with the director of several big Agatha episodes (Gandja Monteiro).
The two of them even shared a picture of themselves hanging out with Joe Locke while they were in London for Vision filming, which only adds to the speculation that we'll see Billy reuniting with Tommy (Ruaridh Mollica).
Shadowarcher62025-09-30 19:53
Agreed
Agatha was a very unexpected surprise
Genuinely such a good show
egg_enthusiast2025-09-29 17:28
I bet it ends with him shooting lasers out of his forehead at some space mook, like its just 30 mins of green screen sequences, flying around idk Jacksonville FL? as he fights a demon monster thing
Legonistrasz2025-09-29 18:19
burywmore2025-09-29 18:21
Oh goody. Yet another trauma based depiction of superheroes from Marvel.
Who is this appealing to? How many times do we have to see bad pop psychology as the central theme of a story from Marvel?
PikaV20022025-09-29 18:42
That’s why they created What If and Marvel Zombies: so that the kids who want to bash together their figurines with no story can do so.
burywmore2025-09-29 19:21
What If and Marvel Zombies are cartoons that are pretty crappy.
This idea that the only story Marvel can tell us about trauma is lazy and pandering. It's also boring as hell.
PikaV20022025-09-29 19:38
> cartoons
You ask for cartoon stories you get them in cartoons.
burywmore2025-09-29 20:02
Comic books and comic book movies are FIRST action adventure products. This idiocy of trying to take these godlike beings and reducing them over and over again to stereotyped victims of constant trauma is tiresome.
I have zero interest in watching a robot try and figure out family relationships that are impossible, when no actual relationship exists. 6 or 7 hours of AI ideas about fathers and sons, with the Marvel Stans lapping it up as deep and important is amusing, but like I said, we've been down this road about ten times already. You want to talk superhero fatigue? It's not fatigue of superheroes. It's fatigue of turning superheroes into vanilla trauma victims who are paralyzed by their pasts.
PikaV20022025-09-29 20:05
The irony of you starting your comment with the words “Comic books” before all of that nonsense is funny. Literally every comic book story is rooted in human themes. Even outside of Marvel.
Are you acting like trauma and human emotions aren’t the core theme of comic books?
Go bash your funko pops together and say “pew pew”. No need to spend millions for the same effect.
SharpshootinTearaway2025-09-29 18:54
What were you guys expecting from a show centered around Vision, though? The guy's last memory is getting his skull crushed by Thanos and dooming half of Humanity because he wasn't able to keep the Mind Stone safe. All because he was in Scotland frolicking with Wanda instead of staying safe at the Avengers Compound with Stark. Bro must harbor tremendous guilt for the deaths of his friends.
On top of that, his girlfriend went crazy with grief over his death, accidentally enslaved a town, wiped out half the population of sorcerers in Kamar-Taj, and killed herself, and his children are possessing the dead bodies of *other* children in order to survive. And, apparently, the murderbot who created him in order to use him as his vessel is back.
How do you expect the homie to feel perfectly good about himself and be fully ready to do lighthearted superhero stuff in a world of roses and peaches when his 12 years of artificial life are *that* messy? Vision has zero good memories in his system. The only happiness he ever knew was with Wanda and she's fucking dead. Not tackling any of that, and pretending it never happened, would be terrible writing.
burywmore2025-09-29 19:23
It can have the ideas of Visions difficulties as part of the show, but that's not what Bettany said. We are going to get another garbage product where naval gazing is the entirety of the experience.
SharpshootinTearaway2025-09-29 19:31
Did you go and listen to the full Q&A or did you just read the title? Because Bettany very clearly said that Vision Quest is about intergenerational trauma the same way that WandaVision is about grief, and that, when you put it that way it doesn't sound very appealing but there's obviously more to the show than that (same way WandaVision is not *solely* about grief, it's just the main underlying theme and motivator for everything happening). That's his full quote.
burywmore2025-09-29 20:04
Wanda/Vision ended up being 99% about grief. And yep, that doesn't sound very appealing.
SharpshootinTearaway2025-09-29 20:16
There are many things going on in WandaVision, grief is only one small underlying theme. You could also say it's about Wanda becoming the Scarlet Witch, about the creation of Billy and Tommy, about Vision being denied the dignity of having a grave, and the SWORD finding a way to rebuild him and use him to kill his family.
It introduces the Darkhold and Agatha Harkness. It is Photon's superhero origin story. It is also kind of a period piece and a love letter to the History of American sitcoms. It is a character study on the psychology of Wanda Maximoff.
It's about building up the courage to face reality even when reality is bleak, and how harmful it is to isolate yourself in a fantasy bubble to cope. Most people who use movies, videogames, books, and fiction in general for escapism in order not to think too much about their problems can relate to that.
It is about so many things other than grief, and most people absolutely loved that show. You may not have, apparently, but it's a you problem, I guess.
Also I've seen your comment about pandering. Who do you think Vision Quest is pandering to, exactly?
burywmore2025-09-29 20:31
>There are many things going on in WandaVision, grief is only one small underlying theme
It is not an underlying theme. It is the entirety of the motivation for the lead character. It then becomes the chink in the armor that allows Agatha to exist. It's why SWORD and anyone else is there. The whole reason for the show, is to deal with Wandas trauma. The best part is, it's never dealt with. The show ends with Rambeau telling Wanda that she was fine doing all this horror, because of her grief, and Wanda flying off, not having dealt with her trauma at all. We know this because her next appearance is as a murderous grief monster who kills dozens. (At least)
>Also I've seen your comment about pandering. Who do you think Vision Quest is pandering to, exactly?
Anyone with father/son relationship issues.
"My dad is just like Ultron.".
What a shallow joke.
SharpshootinTearaway2025-09-29 23:11
>It then becomes the chink in the armor that allows Agatha to exist. It's why SWORD and anyone else is there. The whole reason for the show, is to deal with Wandas trauma.
Agatha showed up for Wanda's powers. Any significant display of power would have lured her like flies to honey. Same for the SWORD, they were trying to find a way to revive Vision and pin it on Wanda, and figured out that the remnants of the Mind Stone's powers within Wanda's Hex could do.
>Anyone with father/son relationship issues. "My dad is just like Ultron.". What a shallow joke.
Breaking News! Teenage boys see themselves in superhero TV show written specifically for them! More at 11!
So let's see... People will complain when they make superhero movies aimed at young girls because superheroes are for boys. They can't try to appeal to older women either because who wants to watch anything your mom would like? And God forbid we pander to the gays!! Family-friendly superhero movies parents can take their kids to are a no-go because we want sex scenes, swear words and blood! But they can't make them all R-rated either because it would affect sales too badly.
And in the end we actually don't want superhero movies to appeal to young boys going through their regular teenage issues either, nor to grown men who want to do right by their sons.
In other words, we don't want our superhero movies to be written for: girls, women, gay people, small children, sex & violence afficionados, boys and men. Who the hell is left?!
KlausKinki772025-09-29 18:23
Sounds interesting, but I fear that this series will lead to absolute nothing.
Wiccan will not be in the series and Wanda isn't confirmed to come back either. Neither is Agatha :(
Just_toadd2025-09-30 20:48
Its basically confirmed that Tommy will be introduced here, so it will lead to at least Tommy trying to find Billy too.m
Wooden-Radish-90082025-09-29 18:26
"What's with all the daddy issues?"
-She-Hulk, 2022
Antrikshy2025-10-01 01:41
"Two daddies, two issues!"
Front_To_My_Back_2025-09-29 18:36
Reminds me when Agatha asked Billy on what he wanted at the witches’ road when he is already powerful, then Agatha asked if Billy wanted to find mama or Robo papa and that he is many pieces before Agatha said Billy is looking for Toby.
alenpetak112025-09-29 18:37
I guess to...
* He's on Moon or something, like Dr Manhattan meme or something
* He observes the Net with his capabilities, always watching news, CCTV and etc. and he somehow sees what Billy and Tommy do with host bodies, so he figure out to they're alive.
* The AI in him always battles over control
* Billy found Tommy and they both ask Agatha to find Vision
* They reunite, but AI's making problems about their relationship
* I guess final episode will have a Billy causing great illusion to put Vision on place, kinda how Sprite help Thena to snap out with illusion in Eternals.
* Bonus, silly prediction- it would be funny if "space crisis" Yelena mentioned was Billy making home on Moon with illusions. I wonder what Khonshu have to say about that :D
justafanboy10102025-09-29 18:41
Love my trauma characters. Give me more stuff like Thunderbolts pls 🙏🏾🙏🏾
BradyPhoenix2025-09-29 18:49
I’m so sick of superheroes with Daddy Issues 🤦♂️
DarthMummSkeletor2025-09-29 18:51
"What is intergenerational trauma if not WandaVision persevering?"
watabadidea2025-09-29 19:36
Man, that sounds like just what the casual audience is looking for...
I mean they finished filming it like half a year ago, so it def won't be cancelled lol.
Nonadventures2025-09-29 21:33
Finally: a superhero show with daddy issues.
Spacegirllll62025-09-30 04:03
I wonder if they’re gonna keep Tommy’s origin from the comics. Billy got a happy life as Billy Kaplan but Tommy Shephard had a horrible childhood that >!included uncontrollable powers, imprisonment and human experimentation!<
Just_toadd2025-09-30 20:47
I mean in AAA we can already see that "Tommy" was killed by a bunch of bullies and Billy already said that "the people, the family, there´s no one who loves him" so he definetely had a hard life. The only thing that is left to be completely comic accurate would be the imprisioment and human experimentation.
Sir__Will2025-10-01 06:02
He won't remember that hard life. But if they treated him poorly before, I can't imagine what they'd do if their kid lost all his memories. Probably abandon him, tbh.
ILoveRegenHealth2025-09-30 10:26
They really going forward with this show? I don't see high viewership at all, and I thought Disney said they needed to clamp down on excessive shows and only focus on the important ones.
BackgroundEngineer112025-09-30 14:34
Definitely need more Vision in Dad-Mode. I wonder if they're go with something like Domesticated Ultron like in Old Man Logan.
kadosho2025-09-30 15:21
That is a fascinating theme. It will definitely give this next chapter a perspective we have not explored very often. Starlord, Thor.. Just a few that have tapped into that particular theme. But there is also a chance for growth too.
softysoaps2025-10-02 06:25
Looking forward to it. After both WandaVision and AAA, I am nervous this will not be as good… but very hopeful it’s not!!!
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> "It’s about intergenerational trauma… fathers and sons and denial of pain and denial of your own truth and coming to terms with who and what you are."
While this almost certainly refers to the returning Ultron (James Spader), who is technically Vision's "father," intergenerational trauma would seem to suggest that Vision's own son will also be involved. This would appear to confirm the fan-theory that Ruaridh Mollica's "Tucker" will ultimately turn out to be the vessel for Tommy Maximoff, aka Speed.
The way he corrects Banner when he tells him “Tony you lost another superbot?” by telling him that Vision is different, that he's evolving, I feel like Tony would have been one of the greatest supporters of Vision affirming his independence as a person and not property.
He'd have been fascinated to see an artificial being, that he assisted in the creation of, fall in love. Vision is perhaps one of his greatest technological achievements. It would make sense that, in his quest to find who he is, what he is, and where he fits in the world, Vision would have a flashback of an interaction he may have had with Tony about why he was created, and whether or not he is now allowed to chart his own course.
I literally cling to that scene you mentioned about Tony saying how Vision is “…more than that…” and later, when Vision and Wanda find out what happened back in New York while they’re in Scotland. Vision’s quiet “I have to go,” after seeing that they deemed Tony missing on the news- both those moments live rent free in my head o(-(
I wonder how hard it will be for Bettany to drop 2 weight classes
Also, weren't there talks of a Scarlet Witch movie to cap off the trilogy?
Third grade english paying off
- Wanda, Billy, Tommy, Vision as the good guys
- Mephisto as bad guy
- Ironheart as the mix of magic and machine (starts as bad guy but maybe changes)
- Agatha wild card
We don't just get back our lost love ones, no matter how hard we wish we could. But we can figure out how to continue on.
If they didn’t insist on butchering the character and going full nostalgia bait mode for the next movies, her Secret Wars ending would have her losing her powers to save the Multiverse and living a normal life like she wanted like Cap got in Endgame.
Don’t attribute behavior from an alternate universe to judge E-19999 Viz!
It's a constant in the comics as well. In universes where Wanda dies first, it's Vision who tends to lose his mind instead. He sure as hell did in The Last Avengers Story, for example. It's just part of their relationship, when something happens to one of them, the other loses their humanity and becomes dangerous. You're asking for a character that has nothing to do with who Vision is.
Which has no bearing on his relationship with Wanda, they grew closer in the exact same way before these two events and have the same dating history.
From Billy and Tommy's point of view, their mom (reluctantly) killed their dad. Twice. Their great-grandpa Stark indirectly killed their maternal grandparents. Their grandpa Ultron killed their uncle Pietro. And their mom and dad killed their grandpa Ultron (until, somehow, Ultron returned). And then their mom also reluctantly attempted to kill them because at this point it's tradition, welcome to the family, boys!
"Oh god, the nature metaphor, please."
"When two animals are *having sex..."*
FTFY. ;)
> I would neither call it safe or a formula
That show ain't coming out until next fall. Obviously we're not going to have the full summary of what exactly it's about. Also, to some people, watching a hero break a cycle of abuse *is* escapism, because it doesn't really happen all that often in real life, lmao.
This and WandaVision are the only two projects I can think of that don’t have escapism as the primary objective. Ironically enough WandaVision is a meta commentary on escapism.
The irony of someone with a Spider-Man flair saying this is funny.
The two of them even shared a picture of themselves hanging out with Joe Locke while they were in London for Vision filming, which only adds to the speculation that we'll see Billy reuniting with Tommy (Ruaridh Mollica).
Agatha was a very unexpected surprise
Genuinely such a good show
Who is this appealing to? How many times do we have to see bad pop psychology as the central theme of a story from Marvel?
This idea that the only story Marvel can tell us about trauma is lazy and pandering. It's also boring as hell.
You ask for cartoon stories you get them in cartoons.
I have zero interest in watching a robot try and figure out family relationships that are impossible, when no actual relationship exists. 6 or 7 hours of AI ideas about fathers and sons, with the Marvel Stans lapping it up as deep and important is amusing, but like I said, we've been down this road about ten times already. You want to talk superhero fatigue? It's not fatigue of superheroes. It's fatigue of turning superheroes into vanilla trauma victims who are paralyzed by their pasts.
Are you acting like trauma and human emotions aren’t the core theme of comic books?
Go bash your funko pops together and say “pew pew”. No need to spend millions for the same effect.
On top of that, his girlfriend went crazy with grief over his death, accidentally enslaved a town, wiped out half the population of sorcerers in Kamar-Taj, and killed herself, and his children are possessing the dead bodies of *other* children in order to survive. And, apparently, the murderbot who created him in order to use him as his vessel is back.
How do you expect the homie to feel perfectly good about himself and be fully ready to do lighthearted superhero stuff in a world of roses and peaches when his 12 years of artificial life are *that* messy? Vision has zero good memories in his system. The only happiness he ever knew was with Wanda and she's fucking dead. Not tackling any of that, and pretending it never happened, would be terrible writing.
It introduces the Darkhold and Agatha Harkness. It is Photon's superhero origin story. It is also kind of a period piece and a love letter to the History of American sitcoms. It is a character study on the psychology of Wanda Maximoff.
It's about building up the courage to face reality even when reality is bleak, and how harmful it is to isolate yourself in a fantasy bubble to cope. Most people who use movies, videogames, books, and fiction in general for escapism in order not to think too much about their problems can relate to that.
It is about so many things other than grief, and most people absolutely loved that show. You may not have, apparently, but it's a you problem, I guess.
Also I've seen your comment about pandering. Who do you think Vision Quest is pandering to, exactly?
It is not an underlying theme. It is the entirety of the motivation for the lead character. It then becomes the chink in the armor that allows Agatha to exist. It's why SWORD and anyone else is there. The whole reason for the show, is to deal with Wandas trauma. The best part is, it's never dealt with. The show ends with Rambeau telling Wanda that she was fine doing all this horror, because of her grief, and Wanda flying off, not having dealt with her trauma at all. We know this because her next appearance is as a murderous grief monster who kills dozens. (At least)
>Also I've seen your comment about pandering. Who do you think Vision Quest is pandering to, exactly?
Anyone with father/son relationship issues.
"My dad is just like Ultron.".
What a shallow joke.
Agatha showed up for Wanda's powers. Any significant display of power would have lured her like flies to honey. Same for the SWORD, they were trying to find a way to revive Vision and pin it on Wanda, and figured out that the remnants of the Mind Stone's powers within Wanda's Hex could do.
>Anyone with father/son relationship issues. "My dad is just like Ultron.". What a shallow joke.
Breaking News! Teenage boys see themselves in superhero TV show written specifically for them! More at 11!
So let's see... People will complain when they make superhero movies aimed at young girls because superheroes are for boys. They can't try to appeal to older women either because who wants to watch anything your mom would like? And God forbid we pander to the gays!! Family-friendly superhero movies parents can take their kids to are a no-go because we want sex scenes, swear words and blood! But they can't make them all R-rated either because it would affect sales too badly.
And in the end we actually don't want superhero movies to appeal to young boys going through their regular teenage issues either, nor to grown men who want to do right by their sons.
In other words, we don't want our superhero movies to be written for: girls, women, gay people, small children, sex & violence afficionados, boys and men. Who the hell is left?!
Wiccan will not be in the series and Wanda isn't confirmed to come back either. Neither is Agatha :(
-She-Hulk, 2022
* He's on Moon or something, like Dr Manhattan meme or something
* He observes the Net with his capabilities, always watching news, CCTV and etc. and he somehow sees what Billy and Tommy do with host bodies, so he figure out to they're alive.
* The AI in him always battles over control
* Billy found Tommy and they both ask Agatha to find Vision
* They reunite, but AI's making problems about their relationship
* I guess final episode will have a Billy causing great illusion to put Vision on place, kinda how Sprite help Thena to snap out with illusion in Eternals.
* Bonus, silly prediction- it would be funny if "space crisis" Yelena mentioned was Billy making home on Moon with illusions. I wonder what Khonshu have to say about that :D
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vision_Quest_%28film%29?wprov=sfla1