Hard not to feel like something major was missing in Fantastic Four.

Ok so like I get why Marvel didn’t want to blow their Doom load too early and make him the main villain right away. He’s not just another bad guy, he’s a full-on god tier threat. But still... not even a few scenes? Just a post-credit? That feels weak.

I’m not saying he had to take over the whole plot or be throwing hands with the team in Act 3. But even just a couple scenes with him and Reed having some tense back and forth, or hinting at their old history or falling out, would’ve gone a long way. Give us a little taste. Build the vibe. You don’t need to show the whole meal, just let us smell it cooking.

And honestly with the multiverse wide open, Marvel had the easiest out ever. They could’ve had Doom show up played by a completely different actor, even just as a variant, and it still would’ve worked. No armor, no big showdown needed. Just Victor von Doom as a rival scientist, or someone pulling strings in another universe, laying the groundwork. That way you get him in play now, without locking in the “main” version too soon.

Like we know Doom is coming eventually. But the dude is basically Marvel’s next Thanos level chess piece and they gave us... crumbs? C’mon. Even Thanos got a few minutes before Infinity War. This is Doom. He deserves more than a stinger and a “trust us, later.”

And yeah I remember all the talk back in the day about RDJ holding out for huge checks. So if Marvel’s smart, they’d have Doom locked now and already starting his arc. You can’t just drag him out last minute and expect the weight to hit. Build it.

Idk maybe I’m just a Doom nerd but it felt like a miss. Curious if anyone else feels the same. Would 2 or 3 key Doom scenes, especially with Reed, have changed the whole tone for you too?

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Caciulacdlac2025-09-24 19:06

The version of Doctor Doom that RDJ plays is the one from the movie's universe. So it wouldn't make sense to have someone else in the role.

CosmosisJones422025-09-24 19:43

Doomsday is not out yet; we still do not know if the Downey visage is his true face or a ruse. I would bet on the latter since I'm sure Disney wants Doom in multiple films after these two, and paying one actor $100 million plus for every film doesn't make too much sense. I also don't see Downey coming back for a long tenure.

Caciulacdlac2025-09-24 19:45

He's being paid $100 million for both Doomsday and Secret Wars.

CosmosisJones422025-09-24 19:50

Even $50 Million for one person doesn't make financial sense in the long run, plus that number doesn't magically go down the more films he appears in; it only goes up.

Caciulacdlac2025-09-24 20:01

It actually did go down, since he was paid $75M for Infinity War and Endgame each.

CosmosisJones422025-09-24 20:07

Thats with backend deals, upfront he was paid $20 Million. This time, he was paid up front $50 Million with backend deals (which we don't know how much he will make because it relies on the Box Office ,and the film hasn't been released yet. With those incentives, his pay could easily reach $200 million). That is a 150% increase in pay.

Caciulacdlac2025-09-24 20:08

Interesting. But on the other hand, when he's not the main character (Civil War, for example), he was paid much less.

CosmosisJones422025-09-24 20:10

I don't see how getting paid $40 million for less work is a bargain, but sure, let's move the goalposts.

Riley__642025-09-25 01:55

After they reboot the universe they’ll introduce a new doom if they want to keep using him.

The universe reboot will bring the fantastic 4 into the main timeline, recast certain characters, bring back dead ones and introduce a smoother way to introduce an entire race of people.

The Downey face will most likely just be this is a doom that happens to look like Tony but isn’t Tony, like how human torch can look like cap without being cap. The only difference being this one won’t be played for laughs.

Estof9732025-09-28 02:10

Eh, you’re somewhat onto something. I remember reading that Marvel is actually planning to keep RDJ as *the* Doom, but they’re waiting to see how audiences react to him in Doomsday and Secret Wars.

I think your theory will end up being Feige’s “Plan B” if RDJ doesn’t land with the fans as they hope he will.

Riley__642025-09-28 02:15

You kinda need to take everything said online about the MCU with a grain of salt.

There’s new stories everyday about how certain characters will be brought in, projects being greenlit and countless rumours because these sites know the MCU is popular and it’ll get them the clicks they want.

Look back at doctor strange 2 basically every marvel character from past projects was rumoured and “leaked” to be appearing just for none of it to turn out to be true. Until marvel or Disney come out with a formal statement that RDJ is playing doom indefinitely it’s safe to assume he’s probably only coming back for the projects he’s confirmed for.

Estof9732025-09-28 02:26

Oh, I know to take a lot of online stuff with a grain of salt. I’ve actually been one of the ones who have said they don’t think RDJ’s Doom is *the* Doom, and the true Doom will be out there somewhere.

That said, I can 1000 percent see Feige trying to gauge on whether RDJ should be the true Doctor Doom. Like, plans can indeed change.

Simply put, I may be completely wrong and RDJ will just be a two-film villain. But these studios always change shit, so we’ll see.

Riley__642025-09-28 02:36

The reason I don’t see RDJ becoming the main doom is because doom is very much a character like Loki where you wouldn’t really want him to be used only once and would be much better suited as a recurring villain.

Even if we assume he won’t be getting paid 100 million for every appearance, marvel will probably still be spending a lot for a character who likely in many of his appearances won’t be playing super major roles.

Disney is obviously worth a lot but even then they probably won’t want to be unnecessarily spending anywhere from 10 - 100 million every time RDJ appears to play a character they could just as easily recast with a significantly cheaper but just as good actor.

Estof9732025-09-28 02:45

That’s also why I can see Feige gauging to see how well audiences receive RDJ’s performance.

Let’s say audiences don’t take well to RDJ as Doom, they can easily cut bait and move on with a cheaper alternative who may perform the character better and resonate with audiences more. On the flip side, if fans end up loving RDJ’s performance, then it becomes harder to not consider him as a long-term option without some discussions.

Don’t get me wrong — I definitely agree with what you’re saying. RDJ’s price tag has and will continue to add up. I think that’s another reason they stopped the Iron Man series at Iron Man 3, and just had him in films where Tony was absolutely needed.

Riley__642025-09-28 02:52

It’s entirely possible but looking at the budgets of projects post endgame most being just above or below $200 million and the revenue they’ve made in return while being a lot haven’t consistently been making the groundbreaking numbers they’d been making pre endgame.

Even if we assume RDJ’s paycheck is less than 100 million would Disney really even want to consider paying 75+ million for a single actor when generally the budget they give to the movies is only around 200 million.

Estof9732025-09-28 03:14

Valid points.

GarySoneji2025-09-24 19:09

It was a story about the Fantastic Four. Doom would have been an unnecessary addition.

CosmosisJones422025-09-24 19:41

Dr. Doom is absolutely a necessary part of the Fantastic Four.

GarySoneji2025-09-24 19:59

He was not needed in their fight against Galactus.

CosmosisJones422025-09-24 20:01

I literally never said that. Please read my post again where it says he is not need to be a big part of the film. But to deny that Dr Doom isn't a major part of The Fantastic Four, their backstory, and their history is a disservice to those stories.

GarySoneji2025-09-24 20:54

I said Doom wasn’t a necessary addition to the story of how the Fantastic Four saved their world from Galactus. That wasn’t a denial of their shared history. Reed monologuing about his college rival while doing science wouldn’t have enriched the story.

CosmosisJones422025-09-25 00:32

I just think giving Reed anything beyond “genius guy saves family/world” would’ve gone a long way. A hint of his rivalry with Doom adds depth and tension instead of just “smart dude does science.” Even a quick nod makes him feel more human, therefore enriching the story. But hey, to each their own.

GarySoneji2025-09-25 03:05

A hint would amount to little more than an easter egg. Talking about Doom too much creates a plot point that needs expanded on, and Reed didn’t need any extra motivation in the story. Doom needs him in his own story more than the other way around.

CosmosisJones422025-09-25 03:18

That’s kinda the problem, though, if Doom only pops up when it’s “his turn,” he’s just another villain dropped in out of nowhere. The FF and Doom are tied at the hip; you don’t get one without the other. Reed didn’t need more motivation, sure, but we need to see Doom built piece by piece or he won’t hit. Calling it an “easter egg” undersells how much weight even a small setup can have. Even Thanos got humbled before the stones made him resonate; Doom deserves at least that much runway. Without that, Doom’s just some OP guy in a metal mask.

GarySoneji2025-09-25 05:44

He just didn’t need to be involved when he’s not wanted. The Fantastic Four have an easier time existing without Doctor Doom than Doctor Doom has without the Fantastic Four. He’s perpetually second best, so he’s the one with an eternal bone to pick.

They’re going to simplify his origin for the audience. Thanos didn’t exactly get a deep origin. Even his comic motivation was omitted because it was too silly based on what had already been established. All they needed to establish was the cosmic side of the universe. Most of the setup actually had little to nothing to do with him. It was all a slow introduction into the fantastical universe of the MCU. Doom easily fit into everything they’ve shown us. At this stage, a vindictive techno-sorcerer isn’t a leap.

CosmosisJones422025-09-25 06:02

That’s fair, not the way I’d go, but I get your angle.

CosmosisJones422025-09-25 03:06

After thinking about this some more, I’d argue it’s actually essential to the plot when you’re talking about stopping Galactus. The rivalry is what pushes both their scientific prowess. A core part of Doom’s whole deal is his beef with Reed; he honestly thinks he’s smarter, better, and even the real good guy. So, having the entire world unite to take down Galactus and Doom just… sit back while Reed soaks up all the credit? That’s just not Doom, and leaving it out makes the story feel way thinner than it should.

GarySoneji2025-09-25 05:28

The general audience watching the movie isn’t going to feel like Reed needed more drive and deeper reasoning for his abilities. Him being the smartest man in the world and part of a family with cosmic powers is all they needed to establish.

The existence of Doctor Doom, if he wasn’t going to help, didn’t need to be established for the story. Starting four years into their journey as international heroes means they can easily omit any detail about their history. They’ve already shaped the world without Doom disrupting the peace, as depicted in the movie. There are no questions he answers, so fleshing him out as a character in someone else’s story isn’t needed.

If anything, that movie is a perfect setup for his story because not being there makes his actual appearance stronger. Maybe the world rallying around the Fantastic Four is part of his motivation to create his own perfect world. Introducing him during a different story only distracts from that particular story. It’s not like he was present in the first appearance of Galactus, anyway.

CosmosisJones422025-09-25 06:03

Interesting take, I hadn’t thought of it like that, definitely a possible route.

UrbanSquirrel_692025-09-24 19:14

Yeah, I feel like that was the only thing the film could have had if they wanted more build up/set up to Doom. I mean, even a few lines of dialogue from Reed and the others talking about Victor or reminiscing about their past fights with him would have been something at least. Let's just see what they do in Doomsday I guess...

BowsetteGoneBananas2025-09-24 19:29

I wouldn't. Fantastic Four works as well as it does for me because it's a strong movie that doesn't spend a bunch of time setting up other movies. It's more like the older MCU stuff where that only future movie setup comes in the form of a short bonus scene that doesn't feel like it should have been part of the main movie.

CosmosisJones422025-09-24 19:39

I never said it needed to set up other films. It just needed to set up Doom and Reed's relationship. Even just a few lines of passing dialogue to an old rivalry would have done the trick.

BowsetteGoneBananas2025-09-25 06:20

I don't see it as necessary. The movie was focused on stopping Galactus and the Silver Surfer and wouldn't have benefited from stopping to spend time setting up future movie villains with no relevance to the story at hand.

PhilRobinsonMusic2025-09-24 19:34

I feel the opposite-- I view the movie's lack of Doom as a feature, NOT a bug.

Sometimes things feel fresh BECAUSE of the absence of a usually expected element... This is especially true when one of the usually expected elements has ALWAYS been there to the point that it becomes a tired cliche. (In this case, Doom had been in all three Fox FF movies, so it was a nice change of pace to NOT see him).

Along similar lines, it's great when we see (or WOULD BE great to see):

\- a Thor movie without Loki

\- a Spider-Man movie NOT set in NY

\- a Wanda appearance without Vision

\- a Sam appearance without Bucky

\- a season of Daredevil without Kingpin

\- a Superman movie without Lex Luthor

\- a Batman movie without Joker

Let's let our fiction mirror reality. You may have plenty of huge nights in your life with your best friend there. But you also have plenty of huge nights in your life when your best friend is NOT there.

For me, it expands the scope of the fictional world in a VERY satisfying way when we see that the characters have plenty of significant events and encounters that have NOTHING to do with their 'usual suspects'.

ALSO: As a bonus, it gives the NEXT appearance of said character even MORE weight, for having been absent for an installment or two. Let us miss some of these key dynamics rather than running them into the ground.

CosmosisJones422025-09-24 19:41

I wasn't saying that he needed to be an essential aspect to the plot; in my post, I even said that it was not necessary. I think that not even mentioning the rivalry between Doom and Reed really undermines the weight when he finally shows up.

PhilRobinsonMusic2025-09-24 20:09

I understand your point, I just see it differently. I was happy for this first movie to focus on establishing the family, and Galactus / Silver Surfer. We can get the meaty Reed / Doom stuff next time.

CosmosisJones422025-09-24 20:12

I totally understand, but it was a 2-hour film, not even having a passing reference to a huge part of the backstory, other than an empty seat, while on the other hand, doing such great worldbuilding is strange to say the least.

CosmosisJones422025-09-24 19:59

Literally every example you listed has been done, and most of these are the low points in each series. The real world sucks, there no reason it should be mirrored in fantasy cinema. We have thousands of dramas that do that every year, but only a handful of Epic Fantasies.

\- a Thor movie without Loki
Thor: Love and Thunder

\- a Spider-Man movie NOT set in NY
Spider-Man: Far from Home

\- a Wanda appearance without Vision
Dr. Strange and The Multiverse of Madness

\- a Sam appearance without Bucky
Captain America: Brave New World

\- a season of Daredevil without Kingpin
DareDevil Season 2

\- a Superman movie without Lex Luthor
Man Of Steel

\- a Batman movie without Joker
Batman Returns, Batman Forever, Batman & Robin, Batman Begins, The Dark Knight Rises, Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice, The Batman (not Counting Cameo)... etc There have been more Batman Films without The Joker than with The Joker.

PhilRobinsonMusic2025-09-24 20:32

Yes, those are the specific films that are the concrete examples of the point I raised (I'm well-aware of the existence of each of those-- that's why I used them as examples :-) However, I would argue that Brave New World and Daredevil Season 2 don't really count, as they DO feature appearances by Bucky and Kingpin, respectively.

My point wasn't to say that these ideas had not been tried yet.

My point was to say that I felt it WAS a good idea for the studios to try them-- I found it VERY refreshing to go see Man of Steel in theaters and have it be a Superman movie WITHOUT Lex Luthor, and I headed into Multiverse of Madness and Love and Thunder hoping that Vision and Loki wouldn't appear in them as I felt that that would be the fresher and more interesting approach, etc...

I do agree that, in some of those cases, the example you cite IS indeed the low point of its respective series. However, I don't feel that the absence of that usual character or element is the reason why that entry was bad. (eg. I think Love and Thunder was awful because of its overbearing humor / waste of dramatic elements, and NOT because of the absence of Loki. They could completely make a good Thor movie without Loki... but that was not it).

When Marvel Studios launched its own series of Spider-Man films with Homecoming, they purposefully stayed away from the 'Spider-Man swinging through the skycrapers of Manhattan' as we had already had five movies of that, so they showed us suburbs/DC in Homecoming, Europe in Far From Home, and outside Manhattan / just around Statue of Liberty in No Way Home, etc.)...

And I would point to this approach as succeeding WILDLY for Marvel!! The Tom Holland trilogy has been both incredibly popular & commercially successful by giving us something that felt FRESH (a hard feat to accomplish considering there had been so many Spider-Man live action films so recently), but ALSO... it's developed in the audience such an intense craving for the return of that classic 'street level, Manhattan skyscraper-swinging' Spidey feel / setting / imagery that audiences collectively lost their minds when Marvel teased us with that exact thing in the final moments of No Way Home and are super-pumped to see the NEXT installment headed in that direction.

(If they had been giving that to us all along, we would be sick of it by the next film.)

The Spidey films are a great example that supports my point: By withholding some of the usually expected elements in a series for an installment or two, the creators offer something that both feels fresh & exciting, and ALSO builds up excitement for that element's eventual return.

So, back to the original point... After the last three Fantastic Four films featured Doom, it was nice and refreshing to get a Fantastic Four movie WITHOUT Doom, focusing on Galactus/Silver Surfer... and this builds up a craving to see Doom again in the NEXT one. If this movie had had too much Doom, perhaps we would have been bored of him by Doomsday. It's a balancing act. For me, the tease in the post-credit scene (coupled with the empty Latveria chair in the Future Foundation) was the exact right amount to intrigue me / pique my curiosity, and make me eager to learn more in the next installment.

You obviously have a different opinion, which is absolutely fine, my friend!

CosmosisJones422025-09-24 20:43

I get what you mean about it being a balancing act, but balance only works if there are actually weights on both sides. Dumping everything on one end and ignoring the other isn’t balance, it’s just tipping the scale until it breaks.

And Spider-Man really isn’t the best example here. He’s literally the most popular superhero on the planet. The hype for him joining the MCU was always going to blow up. Homecoming was guaranteed hype just for being his MCU debut, Far From Home was the first movie after Endgame, and No Way Home hit right after a year of COVID when people were desperate for any blockbuster (plus the nostalgia bait of the OG Spideys). Those movies were guaranteed to print money no matter what. Honestly, let’s be real, they could’ve filmed Peter Parker waiting in line at the DMV for two hours, and the theaters still would’ve sold out.

CosmosisJones422025-09-24 20:50

I am also not trying to be hostile just trying to have a debate! I respect your opinion.

Edit: Meant to reply to your comment lol

eagc72025-09-24 21:46

Considering how with Spider-Man they decided to stay clear from the Osborns until Movie 3, i am not surprised they decided to take a little break from Doom before bringing him in.

labbla2025-09-24 21:54

Before the movie released I was convinced they would have RDJ in a scene or two to set up the Doom/Reed dynamic and his motivations for Doomsday. Like, just to do the bare minimum of set up before he gets thrown into a big universe crossover event with X-Men and more Avengers and probably more stuff. That movie is going to have so much to do.

CosmosisJones422025-09-24 21:57

That's what I'm saying! I'm not asking for much but the bare minimum set up. It leaves way too much work on doomsday, especially when a majority of the audience that hasn't been following everything doesn't know what's going on.

labbla2025-09-24 21:58

People always say we didn't have much Thanos. But he was a big part of the first Guardians of the Galaxy where we got to learn about him and some of the people he is connected to. It really feels like Marvel forgot how to do this stuff. All of the Gamora and Nebula stuff in Infinity War/Endgame would not work without what Guardians of the Galaxy built.

CosmosisJones422025-09-24 23:24

I don't know why you are getting downvoted for this. This is a valid observation. we got a little bit of build up and wroldbuilding to set up the big bad, in this phase, we've got nothing.

labbla2025-09-25 00:03

Eh I get it. Hardcore Marvel fans are overly invested in this next Avengers being the greatest movie ever.

At the moment I'm expecting Doomsday to be either surprisingly good or a weird disaster or a mix of both. This Avengers will be in a very different spot than every previous Avengers movie and it's going to have so many different characters meeting for the first time, multiverse crossovers and whatever Dr. Doom's deal is. Can't say I'm excited at the moment, but very curious about just how it'll even function as a movie.

CosmosisJones422025-09-25 00:20

Yeah, I feel the same way. I'm, a HUGE marvel fan, it honestly annoys my friends how much I talk about these films, and even I'm wary for Doomsday. The lack of a cohesive roadmap post endgame and betting everything on Doomsday doesn't have the same energy as pre infinity war. I hope to be proved wrong and will be there with bells on at the first showing.

Riley__642025-09-25 02:01

Doom would’ve been unnecessary for the story.

Yes he’s been an important character for the fantastic 4 in past stories but for the specific story they were telling he would’ve added nothing, his presence would’ve amounted to “hey look we’re acknowledging doom”

It’d be like making a Spider-Man story about any Spider-Man villain and throwing in the green goblin for the only reason being in other stories he’s an important Spider-Man character.

Yes the character may be important in other stories but for this specific story he was not important and thus has no reason to appear and would add nothing.

CosmosisJones422025-09-25 02:58

All that would be true if this weren’t an origin story building up to a huge film where literally everyone already knows Doom’s the villain. He doesn’t need to be in *every* Fantastic Four story, but he *is* important to this one. A core part of his character is the rivalry with Reed. Doom genuinely thinks he’s smarter, better, and even the good guy. Having the whole world unite to stop Galactus and Doom just… sit back while Reed Richards takes all the credit? That’s just not Doom, and it feels like weak worldbuilding if you skip that setup until he randomly pops up in the big Avengers movie.

Riley__642025-09-25 03:05

Except it’s not an origin story it’s a story showing us an already well established fantastic 4.

Dooms origin story will be in doomsday, even if doom did appear in the fantastic 4 it would’ve amounted to a dick measuring contest between him and Reed but not actually set up anything for his future in doomsday or secret wars because the focus of the movie wasn’t on that. You don’t want to stop the movies plot just so doom can come in and basically be like “I’m more intelligent than you Reed, you and your family suck and I’m cool”

You want an in universe reason as to why doom didn’t get involved simple he has more important things he’s dealing with like I don’t know learning how he can rule over the entire multiverse. Galactus possibly destroying his earth and the praise he could get by saving it are all meaningless to him when he is currently working towards becoming the god of every universe so what if one little Earth doesn’t make it.

CosmosisJones422025-09-25 03:14

But this *is* an origin story; it’s the Fantastic Four’s entry into the MCU. Leaving Doom out here and cramming his origin into an already overstuffed film like *Doomsday* does the character zero favors. His rivalry with Reed isn’t just “I’m smarter than you,” it’s the backbone of both their arcs. Having Galactus show up, the world unite, and Doom just sit back while Reed takes all the credit? That’s not Doom. skipping him here makes Reed vs. Doom feel like an afterthought instead of the foundation.

Jumping straight to “multiverse god Doom” without first building his rivalry with Reed and Doom's strive for perfection is just skipping leg day; you need the foundation before the cool stuff lands. Even Thanos had his army take an L before he got the Stones.

Riley__642025-09-25 03:29

But it’s not an origin story, just because it’s their first introduction to the MCU doesn’t mean it’s an origin story. It’s like how homecoming wasn’t Spider-Man’s origin story, yes it may have been his first movie but it wasn’t an origin.

Doom appearing in that fantastic 4 movie would’ve just amounted to doom saying I’m smarter than you and dismissing Reed, the movies focus was on galactus coming down to earth doom appearing would’ve added nothing of significance.

If doom is currently planning on overtaking the multiverse why should he be concerned about proving he’s better than Reed in this moment, why waste his time and energy by trying to outsmart Reed or belittle him in this moment when he can instead spend his time and effort on his current plan so he can eventually tell the multiverse of reeds that he’s smarter and better than all of them.

Also we have no reason to believe the movie will be completely over bloated, infinity war while having all the heroes was really thanos’ movie and he managed to explain his goals in that movie quite well and come off as an intimidating threat why can’t doom do the same. Doomsday can follow the same basic formula infinity war did, we watch all the heroes try and fail to defeat doom while throughout the movie we learn more about him and then secret wars has opportunities to explore even more with doom’s character because unlike in endgame where thanos died in the beginning doom can be alive the entire runtime.

You say Thanos previously lost but he really didn’t, his sending of Loki to earth wasn’t the true beginning of his conquest it was just planning he just wanted to see how much of a threat Earth would be. Loki winning or failing really had no Impact on what thanos was planning.

We can explore doom and his relationship with Reed in those two movies, having him appear in fantastic 4 for what would’ve amounted to a conversation really wouldn’t have added any extra depth to the character.

CosmosisJones422025-09-25 03:50

Ah, yes, the classic: " character development is a waste of time" strategy. Basically, your argument is that Doom should stay invisible until it’s convenient, which is like saying Darth Vader shouldn’t show up until Return of the Jedi.

That is sure to work out great.

Riley__642025-09-25 03:57

Didn’t say character development is a waste of time, I’m saying this way of developing the character would be a waste of time because it would take away from the actual story being told and wouldn’t help flesh out doom.

The movies focus was on the fantastic 4 trying to defeat galactus squeezing doom into that story literally would’ve amounted to a single conversation between him and Reed that would inevitably come off as a dick measuring contest randomly thrown into a story about a world ending threat.

What was doom supposed to do come in and try and one up Reed by showcasing he’s smarter by trying to defeat galactus himself and then ultimately failing and not succeeding and having the movie play out the exact same way. Probably not a good idea to introduce your big bad and immediately have him be outsmarted by another hero, we saw how well that worked for kang having him be defeated in all his appearances.

CosmosisJones422025-09-25 04:05

Glad you’re not in charge, Doom and Reed forming a shaky alliance that ends in betrayal practically writes itself. Doom doesn’t need to one-up Galactus to matter; all it takes is an uneasy alliance with Reed to save the world, everything goes to hell, Doom walks away scarred and furious, blaming Reed for his failure and scarring, and boom, perfect setup. That’s me spitballing in 10 seconds. The fact that you think the only option was a random dick-measuring contest just makes it clear you’ve never cracked open a Fantastic Four comic in your life.

Riley__642025-09-25 04:19

So what you’re basically asking for here is to now rewrite the movie to be about galactus coming to devour earth which causes doom and the fantastic 4 to team up ultimately succeeding but also acting as dooms origin story.

This is different to your original complaint that was doom should’ve had an appearance to set up his character in doomsday, this suggestion is fantastic 4 should’ve been rewritten to be a different movie that accommodates doom. That suggestion is not a we should’ve had an interaction between two characters to set up their relationship for future this is we should include an entire plot line surrounding this character for future.

What it sounds like is you wanted a fantastic 4 movie about doom and the fantastic 4 and you didn’t get that. The plot line you suggested also means that prior to this point Reed and doom either don’t know each other or are on good terms which means you don’t get to see the rivalry you initially said was missing, if the movie ends with doom getting scarred and resenting Reed the whole rivalry you wanted to explore still isn’t being explored until doomsday.

Also the way this is set up means doom eventually goes onto become god emperor doom because Reed accidentally gave him a scar while trying to save the planet, doesn’t exactly paint your villain as the smart calculating character doom is supposed to be but instead a narcissist child. He destroyed the multiverse because Reed made him ugly.

CosmosisJones422025-09-25 04:31

I wasn’t rewriting the movie, just showing how it could’ve worked using your own logic. Doom flipping out over a scar is canon, kinda wild you’re arguing about a character you clearly know nothing about. But I'm not here to judge. You do you.

gabriel_ol_rib2025-09-25 18:41

I think it would mess the whole film, giving the idea of ''hey, remember the biggest F4 villain Doctor Doom? Well, he's here and waiting, so just remember he exists and forget everything else''. It would be so distracting, and wouldn't make us focus on Galactus and his menace.

Estof9732025-09-28 02:07

I hear you, but I also think Marvel realized “Doom has been done in three previous films, let’s see if we can Silver Surfer and Galactus another shot”. I personally am not mad at the decision as Doom has earned that “Marvel Universe threat” label over the years. Like, he’s legit one of, if not, the most powerful human threats Marvel has given us. It’s only fair he headlines such a major event like Doomsday.

And to be quite honest, as a Fantastic Four fan, they have other interesting FF villains. They may not be on Doom’s level, but if the filmmakers are competent, they can make a FF film where the main villain *isnt* named Doctor Doom.

spatel142025-09-28 06:55

I think Avengers Doomsday will be what Avengers IW was for Thanos, aka a good majority of the film will be about Doom. IW was a movie about Thanos and his motivations.

I think Doom is a strong enough character to the mainstream that he didn’t need a multi movie build up whereas a semi-obscure villain like Thanos did.