Could LMD Coulson be in Vision Quest

So, Cosmic Circus said that Vision Quest has some connection to Agents Of S.H.I.E.L.D. I fucking hate scoopers, but I really hope this is true. So, since we know that Vision Quest is bringing back other AIs like Ultron and EDITH, having LMD Coulson shouldn't be that much of a stretch. Also there's the whole Ship Of Theseus, that LMD Coulson already went through, and White Vision is going through the same thing, so Coulson could help him with those questions about himself because he went on a similar arc.

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AlexitoPornConsumer2025-09-24 08:34

Iamtherealbuk2025-09-24 08:42

Most likely not. That’d be wayyyy too much for casual viewers to digest

marvelcomics222025-09-24 08:45

It can't be that hard. After Coulson died (they don't need to know he came back and died again), an LMD of him was built to help during a crisis.

Admirable-Reaction712025-09-24 08:57

The concept of LMD was never introduced to the mainline MCU though. Coulson is also not only a regular LMD, but one made with alien hardware.

Also, wasn't it pretty much established that LMD Coulson and the rest of the SHIELD gang ended up in a parrarel timeline after their time traveling adventures?

finetuneit802025-09-24 09:09

Stark mentions LMDs in the first Avengers movie, so they’re obviously a thing in the MCU.

Admirable-Reaction712025-09-24 09:21

I don't remember this scene and couldn't find it online. Did Stark mentioned it in a throwaway reference kind of way? Or was it given in detail what an "LMD" is?

I believe you. I don't deny that LMDs exist in the mainline MCU (AoS canonicity aside). I just think the concept of LMD seems to be something quite heavy to throw in for general audiences to digest. It gets even more complicated if you have to include the whole plotpoint from AoS.

Johnreel242025-09-24 09:38

It was totally in a throwaway reference kind of way. It was near the beginning of the avengers movie, Tony was avoiding Coulson and he jokingly said hes an LMD and the real Tony is somewhere else

Also im a huge fan of Agents of SHIELD but ive accepted the fact that the mcu might not make an effort to reference or canonize it.

finetuneit802025-09-24 10:47

https://clip.cafe/the-avengers-2012/thats-on-you/

It was a throwaway, but the fact he mentions it without any background explanation needed, means they’re a thing in the MCU. Coulson appearing in Vision Quest could simply be put down to him being a Life Model Decoy of Coulson. Just like She-Hulk didn’t need to tackle Davedevil’s backstory for his appearance, or similarly, Matt Murdock in NWH.

HerrPizza2025-09-24 18:02

If they desperately need to explain it, I'm pretty sure it could be two lines of dialogue where he references that Coulson really died, but was actually brought back to life, and died at least two more times before ending up in a synthetic body and then just put some jokes in there, and the average viewer will be completely okay with it without knowing all the details

Linkbowler2025-09-24 19:14

"Look, it's me, I'm here, deal with it. Let's move on."

Kamalen2025-09-24 11:50

It’s harder than the concept of multiverse ?

Plus, it’s limited to a D+ show which have already a more involved public than the general audience.

Cypher_862025-09-24 13:16

It was one line, and there's been nothing since to indicate they actually exist.

Neveronlyadream2025-09-24 20:20

It's a sarcastic line at that. I assume it was in there as a nod to the people who have read the comics and nothing more.

I'd honestly prefer that they not canonize LMDs in the mainline MCU, because I have a feeling they're just make a mess like they did with the Skrulls. Suddenly a handful of characters will have ambiguously been LMDs and they won't explain why or since when.

Last thing we need is Marvel having a get out of jail free card to undo death by saying, "No, they didn't die! That was an LMD!" like they've been doing for decades in the comics.

The_T1132025-09-25 04:30

1. They already did canonize it in the mainline MCU, it was in Agents of SHIELD.

2. They should absolutely bring back Maria Hill.

Portalfan43512025-09-26 16:52

Agents of Shield was, for many years, considered not totally canon to the MCU. I don’t know when that changed but it used to be that until referenced directly by the MCU don’t assume any events to have happened

The_T1132025-09-26 16:55

That is a stupid way to handle canon, and that's why only weirdos on the internet think of canon that way.

marvelcomics222025-09-24 09:10

No. LMDs were mentioned in The Avengers, and the Agents Of S.H.I.E.L.D. returned to the 616 timeline after the events of Season 7, which were mostly set in an alternate timeline.

Admirable-Reaction712025-09-24 09:17

>Agents Of S.H.I.E.L.D. returned to the 616 timeline after the events of Season 7,

Has this been explicitly confirmed anywhere? Either in or out of universe? Because if it had, I find it very annoying that the name "SHIELD" has never once been spoken in the mainline MCU after that

They ended up with a Triskellion, a Helicarrier, an academy, and an intergalactic recon squad in the series finale. They sound more renown than the Avengers.

marvelcomics222025-09-24 09:23

Heavily implied. There's no reason for them to exist outside of the 616, except the two times they left it in-universe, the first at the end of Season 4 with the first half of Season 5 set in an alternate future, and in the middle of Season 5 they returned to the 616. Then, at the end of Season 6, they leave and go to an alternate timeline, which they spend most of S7 in, and at the end, they return to the 616 timeline using the Quantum Realm. They were a government agency and probably had the money to rebuild.

Kamalen2025-09-24 11:52

The series finale speak of the arrival of the Maw disk shop over New Work

Admirable-Reaction712025-09-24 11:53

Infinity War took place during Season 5. The series finale took place way after in Season 7. I think you're misremembering.

seaman1872025-09-25 06:24

It's just some people in denial refusing to accept that the show isn't canon making up ways to try to fit it in.

kyriosdominus2025-09-26 07:13

What made it not canon?

jokerrebellion2025-09-24 09:35

Didn't the timeline diverge ever since the gravitonium arc? The timeline they returned to in S7 is their own timeline after the Gravitonium/Kree arc

marvelcomics222025-09-24 11:06

No, the timeline was the same. S5 ended in 616, they left at the end of S6, and came back at the end of S7.

BrickBoy8192025-09-24 18:51

Downvoted for being correct again

HerrPizza2025-09-24 17:54

the final episode has them return to their own timeline

U2106_Later2025-09-24 19:39

It was never confirmed anywhere or stated that they were on a different timeline. The season 5 finale was supposed to be going on at the same time as Infinity War. They don't reference the Blip for out-of-universe reasons, but no they were never "supposed" to have left the main timeline, although maybe the studio will take it in that direction (if they ever address it).

an0m1n0us2025-09-25 04:45

Tony literally tells coulson that he has reached the life model decoy of himself in the 1st avengers movie on a phone call. It's been introduced in the MCU.

_________FU_________2025-09-26 13:22

That’s basically that one character from Invisible. Carl?

Let’s at least be original.

Nerdy-Dogguy-872025-09-24 18:18

Well right now maybe, post-secret wars (thus post-reboot), anything is possible.

I for one wouldn't mind him and S.H.I.E.L.D. returning.

If the reboot is done just right, it could be possible.

Rman8232025-09-24 08:48

At most I think Vision Quest could reference the term LMD (which was already referenced before AoS in Avengers) and that’s the supposed AoS connection (if there is in fact one).

dm_ajolo2025-09-24 23:27

That line isn’t a reference to AoS. Phil Colson is in that scene and he wouldn’t become an LMD until many seasons and years later

Rman8232025-09-24 23:31

I’m not arguing that it is. I’m pointing out that a reference to LMDs isn’t exclusive to the show. Although, I’m sure some people make it mean more than it does if it were to be referenced.

nazia9872025-09-24 09:18

If there's any agents of shield acknowledgement, I'm happy

Pretend-Meaning-15362025-09-24 09:26

I'm hoping because I've missed coulson and ot would be funny there was a theory during aos s1 that coulson was a robot and he was gonna come back to the movies as vision in avengers 2

FormalSpidey2025-09-24 09:31

You mean...Chronicom

ImaginaryReaction2025-09-24 19:49

He's a hybrid. That's why the chronicom seer bitch couldn't control him

TomBeanWoL2025-09-24 10:03

I mean the Framework, Chronicoms and LMDs could all easily be part of it, I would love to see Coulson come back

_Marvillain2025-09-24 10:45

This discussion reminds me of one of the early MCU fan theories where a lot of people (including myself) thought Coulson was going to be brought back as Vision.

Obvious-End-79482025-09-24 11:40

Okay, because I'm sure this will get downvoted to hell, so let me start by saying I enjoyed AoS. But I just don't see this happening. Not because of anything to do with AoS, but more what Marvel is trying to do right now.

They could mention something that was also in AoS, but it would be entirely disconnected - like how the Darkhold was in WandaVision and Multiverse of Madness. It existed, and had zero relevant tie-in to it's equivalent in AoS. In that way we could see LMDs or something maybe. Concepts, not canon, if you get my drift.

Remember Marvel is battling the "too much homework" sentiment from general audiences, thanks to rushing a tonne of shows to Disney+ as ordered by their corporate overlords.

While they're trying to solve that problem, they aren't going to show general audiences Phil Coulson out of nowhere and make people think (whether rightly or not) that they need to watch this old 5 season long tv show to follow their new 8 episode limited series.

marvelcomics222025-09-24 11:51

Seven season long but I see where you're coming from

soggyDeals2025-09-24 17:16

The “homework” complaint has never made sense with the lengths they have always gone to make products understandable standalone. The movies have always followed the old Stan Lee rule of “every comic is someone’s first.” Tie ins to outside content might give you a deeper understanding, but they will always provide some context to keep people from being lost. It’s a huge reason why the series has been so successful.

The homework line just seems like a meme that’s not based in reality. Even Endgame, which is as direct a sequel as you get in Marvel, sets the stakes and the current state of the world at the beginning.

Obvious-End-79482025-09-25 04:34

I don't disagree, but the problem is that perception is reality. If people *think* they have to have seen something else first, then they are less likely to go see the new thing unless they are caught up.

Whether they are right or wrong about it is irrelevant. The reality is that those people still aren't turning up to watch the films in the cinema, so Marvel needs to deal with the negative perception.

SkekJay2025-09-26 02:29

I also don't get the homework complaint. You don't have to watch every project they make, just Google what you need to know and you can find articles and videos telling you what you need to know.

EDPZ2025-09-24 13:30

Nope. They're trying to make the MCU feel less like homework and this show has way too much baggage to ever properly bring in to the MCU.

Ill-Philosopher-76252025-09-24 13:35

That reminds me how funny it is that Tony Stark mentions LMDs in The Avengers as if it was a pop culture reference and not a real thing.

SeekerVash2025-09-24 13:43

Feige will never acknowledge AoS exists. It was Perlmutter's, made while Feige was fueding with him, and pokes holes in the narratives around him, so Feige will do his best to bury it.

ZackaryAsAlways2025-09-24 13:45

I hope so

Rocketboy13132025-09-24 14:26

Vision and Coulson never met.

Paul-E-L2025-09-24 23:19

Jarvis did get hacked by Coulson using SHIELD tech of some sort so they kind of sort of “met”.

CaptHayfever2025-09-24 23:27

Jarvis & Coulson definitely met.

Romnonaldao2025-09-24 15:12

He's currently in another universe. AoS started in the main universe, but eventually ended up in another around season 5

meltylandnghtmr2025-09-24 16:47

It would make me happy, but I have zero hope tbh

-Xenocide-2025-09-24 17:04

I’d be very surprised by this, to my knowledge AoS was deemed non-canon a long time ago.

Edit: which I think is unfortunate because I thought the show was great

Joshdabozz2025-09-24 19:03

It hasn’t been deemed non-canon officially yet

_DeuTilt2025-09-24 23:53

Honestly, do we really need an official statement after everything that already prove it isn't canon to the main timeline? Love the show but the MCU made sure to throw it under the truck :')

Darkhold was the final proof that AoS isn't in the MCU's universe

Joshdabozz2025-09-25 00:01

The Darkhold has been established in AOS to be able to change appearance. There is nothing that happens in the MCU that decanonizes AOS yet

garbage19952025-09-24 17:16

Technical_Koala_19282025-09-24 17:21

I feel like AOS fans are slowly morphing into Snyderverse fans. Let it die.

kennyofthegulch2025-09-24 20:01

No, because Agents of SHIELD is non-canon and Cosmic Circus is full of shit, as usual.

CaptHayfever2025-09-24 23:28

*Could* it happen? Yes.
*Will* it happen? Probably not.
Do I *expect* it? Absolutely not.

(By the way, ignore any liars saying things like "Feige will never acknowledge AoS exists", since Feige already *has* acknowledged AoS exists many times.)

_DeuTilt2025-09-24 23:49

No, I believe at the moment Agents of SHIELD isn't canon to the MCU anymore, unfortunately

LightningTiger19982025-09-25 01:25

At the end of Agents of shield the main characters had branched off into a alternate timeline where Mac is Director of Shield etc so bringing them back would be hopping to a different universe which isn’t impossible but seems unlikely

0Abaltz2025-09-25 06:29

they do this every year with every new show. AOS would be back by now if it were real.

Dragon_yum2025-09-25 08:20

The question is should he be there. Personally I don’t think so.

nichrs2025-09-25 14:17

I've already accepted that AoS will never be touched by Kevin Feige. And accepting this saves me from more disappointments. This series will always have my affection, and that's enough for me.

Different-Life65672025-09-25 16:08

I really hope not in that case I’d have to watch Agents of shield to understand vision quest and I really couldn’t be bothered to do so

OmegaHunterEchoTech2025-09-25 16:55

No.

And fuck Scoopers. They are nothing but lying grifters and vultures.

labubuking2025-09-25 23:33

Random but this actor was very nice to me when he was at sdcc the first time he appeared in marvel media. I was in a crowd and he reached out to me to sign my badge out of everyone else there. Maybe because I was a kid that time but i will always remember that.

AdditionalBanana95852025-09-26 05:39

I'm sure they'd want the show to stand on its own two feet without the need to know stuff outside what's mostly common knowledge.

Dell0c02025-09-26 13:01

Vision has no idea who Coulson is.

_________FU_________2025-09-26 13:23

Nick Fury created a robot arms of Coulson’s