Shame she’s also a zombie, they could have just made Lore the main antagonist
Currycel78912025-09-24 03:42
**Lore isn't a Zombie**. She's a phantom-demoness who looks identical to MoM Wanda *(SAME outfit!*), with the same "rule or destroy cosmos" prophecy- **in fact that prophecy was taken directly from the 1994 comic.**
**Lore is also a nexus being, which the Zombie Wanda is NEVER,** the latter being merely a feral beast. Lore seeks to traverse the multiverse, exterminating all nexus beings in her path to total conquest. **This mirrors MoM Wanda's stated desire to drain America Chavez' powers, kill all her variants under the pretext of "protecting Billy and Tommy", and then enslave the multiverse.**
So, if ANY Wanda is to become Lore at THIS point, it would be the main MCU Wanda. *In fact, this may have already happened after MoM if Wanda really absorbed all Darkholds into herself.*
I’m not saying that Lore is a zombie, I’m saying that instead of zombie Wanda being the main villain, they should have given us Lore herself, who is famously also a necromancer.
Currycel78912025-09-24 03:51
That would've had to take place BEFORE MoM.
MoM quite blatantly transformed the MAIN Wanda into Lore, in all but name.
Lore deals with demons, monsters, and cult-worshippers- not zombies. Zombies aren't a thing in her dimension.
Multiversal conquest? Tormenting variants? That's pure Lore.
SablenoKiri2025-09-24 04:03
I think you’re overthinking it. This is more or less an extended What if? Episode. It’s not a big leap for them to just have a Wanda variant that is Lore to invade this reality with her necromancy powers, including the ability to raise the dead leading to zombies.
Currycel78912025-09-24 04:11
Okay, after the events of MoM, Lore invades and raises the dead, then leaves. Just a 10-second cameo. She puts the local Wanda in charge of actually leading the horde.
The problem with casually dropping in Lore is that she has NO VARIANTS. There are NO 2 versions of her in existence, only one. Just like how the prophecy implies "only one scarlet witch".
**They can also, of course, declare this entire extended episode to be non-canon.** They may have already done so.
Whatever said and done, this is just your individual suggestion, and Marvel clearly went their own way instead- saving Lore for another thing. It's the main Wanda.
Such-Organization3162025-09-24 06:53
Is Anand3.0 your Twitter account?
Currycel78912025-09-24 06:55
No, but I do follow him.
_nicpal32025-09-24 11:27
That’s definitely him lol
NoobFreakT2025-09-24 04:14
SablenoKiri2025-09-24 04:17
Just a version of Wanda in a reality where necromancy is the norm
Currycel78912025-09-24 07:03
Our 616 Wanda has demonstrated a nasty habit of necromancy during Wandavision and MoM.
And also looks EXACTLY like Lore. So, if anything, it's gonna be our original Wanda.
TheLionOfOrlais2025-09-24 03:35
NoNoNotorious852025-09-24 03:49
A coodle doodle doo!
SakuraTacos2025-09-24 04:14
Has anyone in this family ever seen a zombie?
eBICgamer20102025-09-24 03:35
There's going to be three subsects of people watching this show: The Wanda stans, the Blade gang and the "Spider-Man kills" apologists.
CosmicDude262025-09-24 03:39
Did any of that make sense?
An-292025-09-24 03:50
To be fair, they're zombies. Peter has to kill them, and they're already "dead".
belladonnagilkey2025-09-24 06:43
Can't break the no kill rule if they're already dead. *taps forehead*
MedievZ2025-09-24 03:37
The animation is just hard to watch. Everything else is really good but good lord.
xXKingDadXx2025-09-24 03:42
I totally agree, really wish Marvel would give Studio Trigger, Bones Studio, or Toei Animation the license and let them go nuts.
SeedMaster268012025-09-24 03:38
What time is it out?
DumbWhore42025-09-24 03:41
She is the queen of everything.
dgtssc2025-09-24 03:45
Agatha will be pissed that Wanda got her girl too.
amumumyspiritanimal2025-09-24 12:48
Speaking of which, where is Agatha from this timeline? I doubt with her experience she’d be phased by zombies, and Wanda only defeated her in WandaVision because of the runes.
MuNansen2025-09-24 03:47
Glad ABC reinstated Kimmel in time (fuck Sinclair, though)
JeremieMAKENDA2025-09-24 03:49
I’m so excited to watch, it promises to be epic!
uuuuno2025-09-24 04:06
I thought she's destroyed by Ultron
eternali172025-09-24 04:06
Ugh.
Likes2PaintShit2025-09-24 04:10
Wanda is my favorite character in the MCU and I’m here for it. Good or bad.
She’s been through so much fucking shit at this point, just give it to me.
Inject it straight into my goddamn veins.
Emergency-Raspberry92025-09-24 04:13
Shitting on Wanda again. Bitches be crazy, again.
FFS.
Puppetmaster8582025-09-24 04:13
Man I just wanna see Wanda back in live action, hate that it seems she’s not in doomsday, they’re dropping the ball with how popular she is and their severe lack of popular female MCU characters currently
Lambsauce9142025-09-24 05:02
I think it's quite obvious that the original plan was to adapt children's crusade as part of the young avengers story after MoM, that way Wanda will return around Kang's dynasty or secret war.
Plans are probably changed now, but even now with all the rumors going around with Doomsday and Secret war, it's still clear that Wanda will return in some way
Currycel78912025-09-24 07:05
Wanda's returning twice. The evil 616 version who works with (manipulates) Doom, and the good 838 version who works with the mutants.
That's what Chris Claremont and Alex Perez have alleged.
ChaoticCaptain1772025-09-24 05:48
Yeah same here
Heisenburgo2025-09-24 14:28
Dr Strange 2 was a huge drop-the-ball moment for both Wanda and Strange, they absolutely lots the plot with both characters
Puppetmaster8582025-09-24 23:43
Ya they fumbled the insane momentum Wanda had after WV and they didn’t even do good job with strange either, managed to fumble both characters in a movie with absurd hype levels after WV
vinidluca2025-09-24 04:14
This should've been released before What If last season, right? Or the season before, I don't remember which one Zombie Wanda appears and is named "Queen of the dead". Or am I getting crazy?
HOLDONFANKS2025-09-24 09:21
first season, and i think this is a spin off from that episode, i think when it was first announced it was annoucned as a "what happened after" but i might be misremembering
PoolPartyWithoutTheL2025-09-24 20:23
Would make sense. I don't remember exactly which heroes died in the What If?, but the ones I do remember dying all happen to be absent in this one.
Otherwise, it would have had to have a pretty similar alternate universe where Wanda went down like she did.
5nbx8aa2025-09-24 04:35
Tchalla was the king of the dead in the comics.
happysunbear2025-09-24 04:48
She’s not a monster, Stephen. She’s a Mother.
Currycel78912025-09-24 07:04
No, she isn't. This version never created kids.
happysunbear2025-09-24 15:28
It’s a quote from Multiverse of Madness.
Legonistrasz2025-09-24 05:00
Sounded like Elizabeth Olsen… so was this recorded in the past or is she still/re- signed on to do more Wanda?
vivianvisionsburner2025-09-24 05:56
She's said she'd be happy to return and she's on good terms with Marvel, but yes, this was filmed back during MoM ADR at the same time that WI?S2 was.
____mynameis____2025-09-24 08:06
Man, she never said she will NOT return.
She just expressed *quite mildly* her disappointment with how her character was handled in MoM. And when asked about the future during press for other projects, she's just been vague about it.
Idk why people here are running with Elizabeth being done with MCU
ChaoticCaptain1772025-09-24 05:47
Mother is hungry
blackbutterfree2025-09-24 05:55
She's been interchangeably called Red Queen, Dead Queen, Queen of the Dead *and* the Scarlet Witch across all of Marvel's social media posts.
(It'd be so fucking funny if *this* was the Scarlet Witch destined to rule the Multiverse and not our poor Wanda, who just got all of that pressure put on her.)
Currycel78912025-09-24 07:01
That would be hilarious but most likely untrue.
Only two Wandas are nexus beings, a good version and an evil demon version (Lore). Zombie Wanda, even in comics, isn't a nexus being ever.
Our 616 Wanda was super evil in MoM, and even before it had a VERY amoral past. The 838 Wanda was good, and Chris Claremont and Alex Perez have said that this 838-variant is gonna return alongside the mutants as a comic-accurate version of the character. And Lore got redesigned in 2024 to look EXACTLY like MoM Scarlet Witch...
So, our 616 Wanda could turn out to be Lore, while the other variant becomes the comic-accurate heroine we deserve.
LuckyLunayre2025-09-24 08:53
Nexus beings are such a tiny part of the comics they really aren't a big deal. They haven't even been mentioned as a thing in the MCU yet.
GiveYourBaIIsATug2025-09-24 13:48
Wasn’t it mentioned in DP&Wolverine?
blackbutterfree2025-09-24 14:15
No.
GiveYourBaIIsATug2025-09-24 15:11
Ok
BravoLeader30002025-09-24 14:45
Anchor beings
GiveYourBaIIsATug2025-09-24 15:12
That’s what it was. I haven’t seen it since it came out. Thank you.
blackbutterfree2025-09-24 14:16
There's no such things as nexus beings in the MCU. At least not yet.
CosmicDude262025-09-24 19:46
She’s called a nexus being in WandaVision…
blackbutterfree2025-09-24 20:05
She never once is. There's a commercial for an antidepressant called Nexus. That's literally it.
ABC_Dildos_Inc2025-09-24 06:07
Both the live action and cartoon version are villains.
CosmicDude262025-09-24 19:47
The Wanda from 616 isn’t a villain
HOLDONFANKS2025-09-24 09:19
wasnt this "reveal" already in the what if episode?
WickardMochi2025-09-24 13:01
Series was ok. Hated the ending
macbookwhoa2025-09-24 15:27
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CosmicDude262025-09-24 19:48
What was spoiled here?
General_Johnny_Rico2025-09-24 15:40
The spoilers posted in this sub are ridiculous
Kalandros-X2025-09-24 16:10
I’m honestly getting sick of Wanda continuously being hit with the villain stick.
BartleBossy2025-09-24 16:34
I have a SW tattoo. Im arguably the exact market.
I cant give a fuck about this. WhatIf was just such a letdown I will wait for reviews.
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**Lore is also a nexus being, which the Zombie Wanda is NEVER,** the latter being merely a feral beast. Lore seeks to traverse the multiverse, exterminating all nexus beings in her path to total conquest. **This mirrors MoM Wanda's stated desire to drain America Chavez' powers, kill all her variants under the pretext of "protecting Billy and Tommy", and then enslave the multiverse.**
So, if ANY Wanda is to become Lore at THIS point, it would be the main MCU Wanda. *In fact, this may have already happened after MoM if Wanda really absorbed all Darkholds into herself.*
Check this out:
[https://youtu.be/TaUsopAXCAs?si=4NdQN2mtAY4ZlRtO](https://youtu.be/TaUsopAXCAs?si=4NdQN2mtAY4ZlRtO)
MoM quite blatantly transformed the MAIN Wanda into Lore, in all but name.
Lore deals with demons, monsters, and cult-worshippers- not zombies. Zombies aren't a thing in her dimension.
Multiversal conquest? Tormenting variants? That's pure Lore.
The problem with casually dropping in Lore is that she has NO VARIANTS. There are NO 2 versions of her in existence, only one. Just like how the prophecy implies "only one scarlet witch".
**They can also, of course, declare this entire extended episode to be non-canon.** They may have already done so.
Whatever said and done, this is just your individual suggestion, and Marvel clearly went their own way instead- saving Lore for another thing. It's the main Wanda.
And also looks EXACTLY like Lore. So, if anything, it's gonna be our original Wanda.
She’s been through so much fucking shit at this point, just give it to me.
Inject it straight into my goddamn veins.
FFS.
Plans are probably changed now, but even now with all the rumors going around with Doomsday and Secret war, it's still clear that Wanda will return in some way
That's what Chris Claremont and Alex Perez have alleged.
Otherwise, it would have had to have a pretty similar alternate universe where Wanda went down like she did.
She just expressed *quite mildly* her disappointment with how her character was handled in MoM. And when asked about the future during press for other projects, she's just been vague about it.
Idk why people here are running with Elizabeth being done with MCU
(It'd be so fucking funny if *this* was the Scarlet Witch destined to rule the Multiverse and not our poor Wanda, who just got all of that pressure put on her.)
Only two Wandas are nexus beings, a good version and an evil demon version (Lore). Zombie Wanda, even in comics, isn't a nexus being ever.
Our 616 Wanda was super evil in MoM, and even before it had a VERY amoral past. The 838 Wanda was good, and Chris Claremont and Alex Perez have said that this 838-variant is gonna return alongside the mutants as a comic-accurate version of the character. And Lore got redesigned in 2024 to look EXACTLY like MoM Scarlet Witch...
So, our 616 Wanda could turn out to be Lore, while the other variant becomes the comic-accurate heroine we deserve.
I cant give a fuck about this. WhatIf was just such a letdown I will wait for reviews.