All the villains in Spider-Man: Brand New Day and Potential Candidates for the Main Villain
With Tombstone now confirmed for Spider-Man: Brand New Day, I've decided to put together all the different leaks and reports and see where we stand on the list of villains for the upcoming Spider-Man film.
u/SolidPyramid did [a similar post](https://www.reddit.com/r/MarvelStudiosSpoilers/comments/1mmk6qq/the_villains_of_spiderman_brand_new_day_a_roundup/) last month on r/MarvelStudiosSpoilers, but they also included villains who had been rumored 1-2 years ago, like Knull, Venom, Kingpin, Kraven, Vulture, Doom etc (which could have been true during earlier versions of the story), or villains claimed by smaller, less reliable sources. I'm not gonna include those, and I will keep my list to villains who have been heavily rumored and heard about from various, mostly reliable sources.
# CONFIRMED:
* Mac Gargan/Scorpion (Michael Mando)
* Lonnie Lincoln/Tombstone (Marvin Jones III)
* Frank Castle/The Punisher (Jon Bernthal) \[POSSIBLY A VILLAIN, AT LEAST FOR PART OF THE FILM\]
* Bruce Banner/The Hulk (Mark Ruffalo) \[POSSIBLY A VILLAIN, AT LEAST FOR PART OF THE FILM\]
# RUMORED:
* Tarantula, Boomerang and Ramrod
* 4 months ago, there was a "Disney Blockbuster Consumer Products Show", which included promotional art from Brand New Day and Doomsday. [An attendee who was present had revealed](https://www.reddit.com/r/MarvelStudiosSpoilers/comments/1kr6ffe/brand_new_day_villains_mentioned_at_the_disney/?share_id=pYzHT3QReCPBiBGX89QSY&utm_content=1&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1) back then that artwork of Tombstone, Tarantula and Boomerang were shown at said event. 2 months later, [DanielRPK verified that report](https://www.reddit.com/r/MarvelStudiosSpoilers/comments/1mg24r7/danielrpk_lists_some_spiderman_brand_new_day/?share_id=zdQcXjZQVh5PRV53x_tbG&utm_content=1&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1) and added Ramrod in that list of villains. Considering Tombstone is now confirmed, it's very likely that Tarantula, Boomerang and Ramrod will be in the film as well. MTTSH later revealed later that the film will start with >!a prison break sequence where some criminals are breaking out Scorpion, Punisher is trying to kill Scorpion and the criminals, while Spidey is trying to catch the criminals and Scorpion, while also stopping the Punisher. !<This could be where Tarantula, Boomerang and Ramrod make their (probably short) appearance, but I don't see them having larger roles in the film, apart from maybe being Tombstone's lackeys.
* Unrevealed Main Female Villain(s)
* [MTTSH said 6 months ago](https://www.reddit.com/r/MarvelStudiosSpoilers/comments/1jfrdnk/daniel_rpk_posted_a_pic_of_adriana_soriaspider/?share_id=SrJWCdY-MXYnHrds-CEXP&utm_content=1&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1) that the film would have a female main villain. In response to that, [DanielRPK posted a picture](https://www.reddit.com/r/MarvelStudiosSpoilers/comments/1jfrdnk/daniel_rpk_posted_a_pic_of_adriana_soriaspider/?share_id=SrJWCdY-MXYnHrds-CEXP&utm_content=1&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1) of Adriana Soria/Spider-Queen, although it's unclear if he was leaking anything or just speculating. Near the same time, [Jeff Sneider had revealed](https://www.reddit.com/r/MarvelStudiosSpoilers/comments/1jl38sc/the_chameleon_will_reportedly_be_the_main_villain/?share_id=tWJhbyTq5rNQbe3DSy190&utm_content=1&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1) that the main villain of the film would be Chameleon. 2 months after that though, [Alex P. also came in with a report](https://www.reddit.com/r/MarvelStudiosSpoilers/comments/1kl2dxj/report_new_updates_on_spiderman_brand_new_day_by/?share_id=swIoExAxoZJVSwodXkCwk&utm_content=1&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1) saying that Marvel concept artists were working on “a dark, mysterious female character”. This character also had a Japanese-inspired look. The main detail of the outfit involved a black kimono-style vest. Around the same time, [Jeff Sneider revealed](https://www.reddit.com/r/MarvelStudiosSpoilers/comments/1knne35/jeff_sneider_reports_that_sarah_snook_is_rumored/?share_id=ouab_KddoQN9kjMcYvyXG&utm_content=1&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1) that Sarah Snook was being looked at for a female villain role in the film, although secondary, while [MTTSH said](https://www.reddit.com/r/MarvelStudiosSpoilers/comments/1kxtxym/mttsh_says_nicole_kidman_is_being_eyed_to_play/?share_id=syC6cqmsyTq7YGeXSOgkW&utm_content=1&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1) that Nicole Kidman was being eyed for the main female villain role. These actresses do not match the Asian aesthetic Alex was talking about in his report. It's more than likely that Alex's report was about Viper, who he later revealed to be another villain of the film along with Silver Samurai, although he is the sole person to have reported those 2 characters.
* Mr. Negative and other Asian-inspired villains possibly in an earlier script(?)
* If you remember, early on, there were rumors from both DanielRPK and [Alex P.](https://www.reddit.com/r/MarvelStudiosSpoilers/comments/15hoin5/alex_p_hints_that_kingpin_mr_negative_kraven_and/?share_id=0tAd4Kfyb8rJDOPB4Luel&utm_content=1&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1) that [Mr. Negative](https://www.reddit.com/r/MarvelStudiosSpoilers/comments/1ji1dmi/rumor_daniel_rpk_roundup_on_spiderman_4/?share_id=714xIyQ-dXQTnTFHE3B7-&utm_content=1&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1) would be in the film, and there had even been a [leaked casting call](https://www.reddit.com/r/MarvelStudiosSpoilers/comments/1jrrmye/marvel_is_currently_looking_to_cast_a_3050_year/?share_id=ze7aA6i44nRCIB1VK5D5f&utm_content=1&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1) for a 30-50 year-old Asian actor. This, along with Alex's information about Viper, Silver Samurai and other Asian-inspired characters, including Shang-Chi, who would have also been part of the film, seems to imply there was an earlier version of the script which draw a lot of inspiration from Asian cultures, most likely pitched by Destin when he joined the film. But from later reports that came from both [Daniel](https://www.reddit.com/r/MarvelStudiosSpoilers/comments/1ml2vq2/daniel_rpk_i_can_now_tell_you_that_the_main/?share_id=-ux248tIHglMOOgiT1zwq&utm_content=1&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1) and [Alex](https://www.reddit.com/r/MarvelStudiosSpoilers/comments/1mibt9k/alex_p_from_cosmic_circus_mr_negative_and_the/?share_id=FXaEKLD6iRgEbkSlbJtYv&utm_content=1&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1) after filming had started, it seems Mr. Negative is NOT in the film, which makes me believe Viper, Silver Samurai and Shang-Chi also aren't.
So, with all that said, and with Viper, Silver Samurai and Mr. Negative most likely out of the picture, who do you think the main villain of the film is? Maybe a gender-bent Chameleon played by Nicole Kidman? Could it be Black Cat? Amy Pascal said that she won't be in this film, but she might have been lying. Could Sarah Snook's secondary villain role be Silver Sable? She does have the looks for it and both RPK and MTTSH have said there are more villains in the film who have not been announced or rumored. There's also Tramell Tillman's unannounced character who could be a villain as well. Many are theorising he's playing the MCU version of Norman Osborn, who will be set up in this film for a bigger role later on.
What are y'all's opinions and which other villains do you want to see in the film and in what capacity?
u/SolidPyramid did [a similar post](https://www.reddit.com/r/MarvelStudiosSpoilers/comments/1mmk6qq/the_villains_of_spiderman_brand_new_day_a_roundup/) last month on r/MarvelStudiosSpoilers, but they also included villains who had been rumored 1-2 years ago, like Knull, Venom, Kingpin, Kraven, Vulture, Doom etc (which could have been true during earlier versions of the story), or villains claimed by smaller, less reliable sources. I'm not gonna include those, and I will keep my list to villains who have been heavily rumored and heard about from various, mostly reliable sources.
# CONFIRMED:
* Mac Gargan/Scorpion (Michael Mando)
* Lonnie Lincoln/Tombstone (Marvin Jones III)
* Frank Castle/The Punisher (Jon Bernthal) \[POSSIBLY A VILLAIN, AT LEAST FOR PART OF THE FILM\]
* Bruce Banner/The Hulk (Mark Ruffalo) \[POSSIBLY A VILLAIN, AT LEAST FOR PART OF THE FILM\]
# RUMORED:
* Tarantula, Boomerang and Ramrod
* 4 months ago, there was a "Disney Blockbuster Consumer Products Show", which included promotional art from Brand New Day and Doomsday. [An attendee who was present had revealed](https://www.reddit.com/r/MarvelStudiosSpoilers/comments/1kr6ffe/brand_new_day_villains_mentioned_at_the_disney/?share_id=pYzHT3QReCPBiBGX89QSY&utm_content=1&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1) back then that artwork of Tombstone, Tarantula and Boomerang were shown at said event. 2 months later, [DanielRPK verified that report](https://www.reddit.com/r/MarvelStudiosSpoilers/comments/1mg24r7/danielrpk_lists_some_spiderman_brand_new_day/?share_id=zdQcXjZQVh5PRV53x_tbG&utm_content=1&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1) and added Ramrod in that list of villains. Considering Tombstone is now confirmed, it's very likely that Tarantula, Boomerang and Ramrod will be in the film as well. MTTSH later revealed later that the film will start with >!a prison break sequence where some criminals are breaking out Scorpion, Punisher is trying to kill Scorpion and the criminals, while Spidey is trying to catch the criminals and Scorpion, while also stopping the Punisher. !<This could be where Tarantula, Boomerang and Ramrod make their (probably short) appearance, but I don't see them having larger roles in the film, apart from maybe being Tombstone's lackeys.
* Unrevealed Main Female Villain(s)
* [MTTSH said 6 months ago](https://www.reddit.com/r/MarvelStudiosSpoilers/comments/1jfrdnk/daniel_rpk_posted_a_pic_of_adriana_soriaspider/?share_id=SrJWCdY-MXYnHrds-CEXP&utm_content=1&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1) that the film would have a female main villain. In response to that, [DanielRPK posted a picture](https://www.reddit.com/r/MarvelStudiosSpoilers/comments/1jfrdnk/daniel_rpk_posted_a_pic_of_adriana_soriaspider/?share_id=SrJWCdY-MXYnHrds-CEXP&utm_content=1&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1) of Adriana Soria/Spider-Queen, although it's unclear if he was leaking anything or just speculating. Near the same time, [Jeff Sneider had revealed](https://www.reddit.com/r/MarvelStudiosSpoilers/comments/1jl38sc/the_chameleon_will_reportedly_be_the_main_villain/?share_id=tWJhbyTq5rNQbe3DSy190&utm_content=1&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1) that the main villain of the film would be Chameleon. 2 months after that though, [Alex P. also came in with a report](https://www.reddit.com/r/MarvelStudiosSpoilers/comments/1kl2dxj/report_new_updates_on_spiderman_brand_new_day_by/?share_id=swIoExAxoZJVSwodXkCwk&utm_content=1&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1) saying that Marvel concept artists were working on “a dark, mysterious female character”. This character also had a Japanese-inspired look. The main detail of the outfit involved a black kimono-style vest. Around the same time, [Jeff Sneider revealed](https://www.reddit.com/r/MarvelStudiosSpoilers/comments/1knne35/jeff_sneider_reports_that_sarah_snook_is_rumored/?share_id=ouab_KddoQN9kjMcYvyXG&utm_content=1&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1) that Sarah Snook was being looked at for a female villain role in the film, although secondary, while [MTTSH said](https://www.reddit.com/r/MarvelStudiosSpoilers/comments/1kxtxym/mttsh_says_nicole_kidman_is_being_eyed_to_play/?share_id=syC6cqmsyTq7YGeXSOgkW&utm_content=1&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1) that Nicole Kidman was being eyed for the main female villain role. These actresses do not match the Asian aesthetic Alex was talking about in his report. It's more than likely that Alex's report was about Viper, who he later revealed to be another villain of the film along with Silver Samurai, although he is the sole person to have reported those 2 characters.
* Mr. Negative and other Asian-inspired villains possibly in an earlier script(?)
* If you remember, early on, there were rumors from both DanielRPK and [Alex P.](https://www.reddit.com/r/MarvelStudiosSpoilers/comments/15hoin5/alex_p_hints_that_kingpin_mr_negative_kraven_and/?share_id=0tAd4Kfyb8rJDOPB4Luel&utm_content=1&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1) that [Mr. Negative](https://www.reddit.com/r/MarvelStudiosSpoilers/comments/1ji1dmi/rumor_daniel_rpk_roundup_on_spiderman_4/?share_id=714xIyQ-dXQTnTFHE3B7-&utm_content=1&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1) would be in the film, and there had even been a [leaked casting call](https://www.reddit.com/r/MarvelStudiosSpoilers/comments/1jrrmye/marvel_is_currently_looking_to_cast_a_3050_year/?share_id=ze7aA6i44nRCIB1VK5D5f&utm_content=1&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1) for a 30-50 year-old Asian actor. This, along with Alex's information about Viper, Silver Samurai and other Asian-inspired characters, including Shang-Chi, who would have also been part of the film, seems to imply there was an earlier version of the script which draw a lot of inspiration from Asian cultures, most likely pitched by Destin when he joined the film. But from later reports that came from both [Daniel](https://www.reddit.com/r/MarvelStudiosSpoilers/comments/1ml2vq2/daniel_rpk_i_can_now_tell_you_that_the_main/?share_id=-ux248tIHglMOOgiT1zwq&utm_content=1&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1) and [Alex](https://www.reddit.com/r/MarvelStudiosSpoilers/comments/1mibt9k/alex_p_from_cosmic_circus_mr_negative_and_the/?share_id=FXaEKLD6iRgEbkSlbJtYv&utm_content=1&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1) after filming had started, it seems Mr. Negative is NOT in the film, which makes me believe Viper, Silver Samurai and Shang-Chi also aren't.
So, with all that said, and with Viper, Silver Samurai and Mr. Negative most likely out of the picture, who do you think the main villain of the film is? Maybe a gender-bent Chameleon played by Nicole Kidman? Could it be Black Cat? Amy Pascal said that she won't be in this film, but she might have been lying. Could Sarah Snook's secondary villain role be Silver Sable? She does have the looks for it and both RPK and MTTSH have said there are more villains in the film who have not been announced or rumored. There's also Tramell Tillman's unannounced character who could be a villain as well. Many are theorising he's playing the MCU version of Norman Osborn, who will be set up in this film for a bigger role later on.
What are y'all's opinions and which other villains do you want to see in the film and in what capacity?
Commentaires
Keep in mind, not as the Hobgoblin, but simply as Kingsley, the businessman. In the Spectacular Spider-Man series, the character was portrayed as a Black man.
One theory I have is that the final villain isn't a physical threat, but rather a psychological one. Therefore, his confrontation with Spider-Man wouldn't be a big, physical fight. This is reinforced by the fact that, according to Tom Holland, they had to rewrite the script because the original version was very similar to Captain America: The First Avenger, and in that movie, The Leader never fights physically.
So, if he's not a physical threat, who could he be? Well... here's a quick theory:
What if it's Roderick Kingsley? He wouldn't become Hobgoblin, but would simply be a businessman who sees the benefit of several villains being killed by Scorpion.
This fits the idea of a villain who is more of a psychological threat than a physical one, and also because Hobgoblin was part of the Brand New Day storyline in the comics.
You mean Brave New World, right?
Tombstone uses his lackeys to get Gargan out of prison. Punisher is hunting them because they're criminals. He and Spidey are antagonists at first because of their differing values, but later decide to team up to take them down together. Tombstone is head of the Maggia and has filled the void Kingpin left when he became mayor and both Spidey and Punisher have been trying to take him down for a while now, so he now wants to use Gargan as a weapon against them. He orders a suit made for Gargan and turns him into the Scorpion to take out his adversaries.
At the same time Peter is in college and Sadie Sink's character is his classmate and love interest, possibly Gwen. At the same time, MJ and Ned visit town to see their families and somehow Peter learns about it and is probably considering telling them who he is, which is a subplot on the side.
If Silver Sable is in the film, she and her militia could be employed by Fisk to take down the city's super-powered vigilantes and villains.
The only pieces I can't fit together are Hulk and someone else as the main villain.
And according to rumours, >!not only is he Hulk in the film, but he turns back into Savage Hulk, and goes even more Savage than he's ever gone before in the MCU. There's another rumor that it will be revealed that Hulk is the one who killed Peter's parents during the battle of NYC!<