What is your bold/controversial MCU opinion?

What is a MCU opinion that will have you standing like this?

I’ll start

Captain America: Brave New World is really good and enjoyable. People who tear this film down are stuck in nostalgia and refuse to accept that things change, just like in the real world.

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Ynnus942025-09-23 22:14

Covid killed the MCU

justalittlebear012025-09-23 22:19

This could be more correct than we know, it very much annihilated any momentum it had for a large part, with Spiderman being an anomaly in that it had the multiverse appeal of people we wanted to see

greasethecheese2025-09-24 07:27

I’m not sure I agree with that take. For your average viewer who isn’t a comic book fan. Endgame was like completing the main quest. They aren’t going to just jump back in. For them the mcu had a beginning, middle and an end. Zombies, vampires, end of world movies, alien movies. All have their time in the sun and then general popularity starts to diminish. Super hero movies might be the same as those. Only difference is marvel built a studio around it.

Juse4k2025-09-23 22:20

Agreed…Then the writers strike….then the actors strike.
All three events messed with the MCU big time. Imagine if endgame didn’t come out in 2019!!

GUSplatoon2025-09-23 22:26

I’ll take it a step further, the fans who joined around phase 3 tail end killed the MCU

Public_Figure_46182025-09-23 22:28

What does that even mean?

GUSplatoon2025-09-23 22:29

Fans who became interested in the MCU because avengers became pop-culture and stuck around killed the MCU

Danal12025-09-23 22:39

Avengers became pop-culture in 2012

GUSplatoon2025-09-23 22:41

I stand by what I said

Whenever a franchise becomes extremely popular, a new toxic side to the fandom joins or grows.

Public_Figure_46182025-09-23 22:57

The first Avengers movie in 2012 was the highest grossing movie of the year, and by the end of 2012, was the second highest grossing movie of all time behind Titanic.

How much more mainstream pop culture can you get?

GUSplatoon2025-09-23 23:00

I still stand by what I said lol

bd29992025-09-23 22:27

Yeah, it did a number on movies but it hurt Marvel pretty bad along the way. Taking away those more casual viewers and the changes in streaming hurt it alot. Dead or not, it lowered the number of butts in seats.

thisisthebun2025-09-24 15:45

Covid killed a lot of popular media, and has very understated side effects for almost every other field.

AnySpirit6482025-09-23 22:14

Brie larson and captain Marvel are cool

N8CCRG2025-09-23 22:21

I just completed a full rewatch, and Captain Marvel is still in my top 5

GUSplatoon2025-09-23 22:25

I like Brie Larson as Captain Marvel. Good casting.

spaghettingpataas2025-09-24 04:19

💯

bigbrainnowisdom2025-09-24 05:01

There was an idea to re edit the movie, to make simple cronological order rather than series of flashbacks.

We can see her character arc way better.

theHowlader2025-09-24 06:41

She's a great casting. She only got slack because incels couldn't handle a woman lead and she had some bad kress. Also the movie itself wasnt awful. Not worth a second watch for me though.

sm_8922025-09-23 22:15

Mcu ms marvel with her powers is basically make her knock off green lantern . Her being mutant make her lame

Ky1arStern2025-09-23 22:16

Captain America was in the wrong in Civil War. The only reason his POV isn't insane is because you know that his integrity is unimpeachable. For anyone else the advice he follows, the tree beside a river speech, is just as bad as it is good, because it depends on the ethics of the dissenter.

justalittlebear012025-09-23 22:24

He makes the exact argument to the ethics of who was in power as well. Look at the US government right now and tell me Cap was wrong, I dare you.

Ky1arStern2025-09-23 22:39

Killmonger

Thanos

He Who Remains

A short list of characters who utilized their own personal power to act in accordance with their own code of ethics, unconstrained by an objective decisionmaking body.

Each one of them stood, like a tree beside a river and said, "no, you move", even when the whole world was telling them they were wrong.

justalittlebear012025-09-23 22:42

You missed the point of my objection, that you only factored one side of the decision making process.

Ky1arStern2025-09-23 22:48

Yes but that's because your objection doesn't address my original point.

Steve's argument is that he has the power so he should be allowed to follow only his own code of ethics. I'm saying that this is only defensible if you're Steve Rogers, otherwise they statement is insane.

It doesn't matter that there are instances where the government does not follow a code of ethics, or that the deal he was rejecting was not good. He didn't try and negotiate a better plan. He outright rejected the notion.

I'm not saying the UN in or out of the MCU should be the ultimate arbiter of power either, I'm saying that rejecting the notion of external constraints is not rational unless your personal ethics are demonstrably unimpeachable.

justalittlebear012025-09-23 23:15

Yet your counter examples wouldn't give a fuck even if someone tried to place constraints on then, hence why they are VILLIANS. Your argument is simplistic and short sighted.

Ky1arStern2025-09-23 23:21

Again, you are arguing purely the practical notion and not even touching the argument itself. The point is not, "can you constrain an individual with great power" or, "who should constrain an individual of great power". The point is that an individual of great power *should* be constrained, and not trusted to act with that power on their own personal whim.

But if that discussion doesn't interest you, be insulting, ignore the point, act in the way that makes you feel most superior. Act according to your own personal ethics.

Ky1arStern2025-09-24 00:10

Lol, did you reply and then block me?

bd29992025-09-23 22:30

I think his point was that it swings both ways. And he felt that way because he learned how much he was being lied too. Not saying he was totally in the right by any means but he did have legit concerns that were not really addressed. And the government was being pretty shady about it too.

During the board room discussion in CW the team getting talked down to about the dangers they pose while ignoring that they saved the world from destruction at least twice as a team (maybe more off camera, at that point. Let alone as individuals. That they discussed the innocent deaths with Slakovia is fair, but it was totally ignored that if Ultron got his way it would have killed most the planet. That said Stark did make Ultron so there is that.

Ky1arStern2025-09-23 23:25

It swinging both ways is *why* his side of the argument is so indefensible to me. I'm not saying that he was wrong to reject the Sokovia accords as written, I'm saying his rejection of any oversight is not congruent with the existence of super powered individuals.

There needs to be *some* sort of check on these people.

The right answer would have been, I'm not signing the accords, but I'm willing to come to the table and establish the Avengers as a body designed to check super powered individuals, and then negotiate with the UN on what that oversight looks like.

suss2it2025-09-24 04:15

And another thing that was conveniently ignored was that the American government and possibly other world governments were infiltrated by nazis, why would anybody trust those institutions in the MCU at that point?

alkonium2025-09-23 22:31

Here's the thing: by the time Civil War happens, Cap's pretty used to violating orders and committing serious crimes, then getting let off the hook for it. Naturally he feels threatened by the idea of having to be held accountable for his actions, and then War Machine arrests him.

Danal12025-09-23 22:17

Iron Man 3 is the best of the trilogy

JoeHatesFanFiction2025-09-23 22:26

Oh shit this is actually a spicy take, that’s rare in these threads. Take an upvote even though I disagree.

GUSplatoon2025-09-23 22:27

If you would have said Iron Man 2, it would have been burning but this is a good hot take

GlowintheClark2025-09-24 07:27

Funnily enough, Iron Man 2 is and always has been my favorite. Although I completely understand that the other two are better. I honestly just have the best time watching it.

AlwaysQuotesEinstein2025-09-24 09:27

Agreed. Love seeing him actually effected by New York. Love seeing all the suit ideas and him being creative with weapons when he doesn't have the suit. I get why people didn't like the villain twost, but I still like the villain.

1Platyhelminthes2025-09-23 22:17

Middle of Daredevil s1 was ehhh....a little boring

SeekerVash2025-09-24 00:34

Which s1?

Captain_Marvellete2025-09-23 22:18

The Howard/Darcy romance may sound like a mushroom fever dream on paper but they got the best arc of What If season 3.

blackmatter6152025-09-23 22:30

That says more about the quality of the rest of that season than anything…

Captain_Marvellete2025-09-23 22:44

You have a point there. I also liked the Bucky/Red Guardian episode but season 3 was incredibly inconsistent. It actually makes the finale worst. How do you give a talking duck a better arc than your narrator? It's also a weird choice to tease Byrdie as her universe's Jesus but then barely give her anything to do when she's an adult.

They did a great job of having Darcy and Howard go from not taking anything seriously to responsible parents.

Grumpiergoat2025-09-23 22:18

Agents of SHIELD isn't part of the MCU, except in the broad "all Marvel properties are part of the MCU multiverse" in the same way that the Raimi movies or Kraven are.

Shouldn't be controversial but really ticks some people off when I point it out.

GUSplatoon2025-09-23 22:26

I also think it’s not part of the main MCU

Danal12025-09-23 22:28

I love the show and I 100% believe it’s canon, but I kinda agree still. It fits in the mcu, but it’s so clear the movie people payed no attention to what was going on in that show. Even as a fan I forget it’s supposed to be in the mcu sometimes

nazia9872025-09-23 22:30

As an agents of shield fan, we just want to be acknowledged by marvel studios 😭

Dirigo722025-09-24 00:01

Are you pointing it out just to be dick about something people enjoy? Perhaps they are more ticked off about the delivery than the opinion itself.

suss2it2025-09-24 04:31

Well it did legitimately start out and was an MCU spinoff for the first few seasons in a way the Raimi or Sony villains aren’t. Like the twist in the MCU *Winter Soldier* movie is a major plot point in the show.

proximusprimus572025-09-25 00:54

Fury shows up, they use the Extremis formula, Coulson is the one holding on to the helicarrier from Age of Ultron.

TheOneWhosCensored2025-09-24 05:58

It should be controversial when the show was canon when it was made, has never been made non-canon, and plot points from it are shown in the movies.

Dagglin2025-09-23 22:19

Karma farmer is cross posting generic engagement bait to multiple subs.

That's really pathetic, op. You know karma doesn't get you anything, right? I'm sorry no one in the real world provides you with the validation that you so obviously crave.

GUSplatoon2025-09-23 22:20

What’s karma?

TheSpaghettiFiend2025-09-23 22:24

People engage in content. That’s the point of the website. Who cares.

Public_Figure_46182025-09-23 22:29

This is such an over the top response, my god lmao

unreasonable-frog2025-09-24 03:28

If karma farming doesn’t hurt anyone, then who cares?

Cyclops19972025-09-23 22:19

The MCU should of ended after endgame. Or at least for a few years

alkonium2025-09-23 22:29

It kind of did thanks to COVID keeping everyone at home and out of movie theatres.

American_Rocket_Man2025-09-23 22:20

They shouldn’t reboot the MCU

ArmadilloOk14452025-09-23 22:21

Comic accurate suits are pretty bad for the most part, there are exceptions of course but most of the time they just look corny and goofy

UnhingedGammaWarrior2025-09-23 22:29

In live action they work characters for Spider-Man, not so much for Captain America

UntoldOriginAl2025-09-23 22:23

The villainous turn that Wanda takes in Wandavision and Dr. Strange and the Multiverse of Madness is entirely keeping with her character, both on film and in the comics.

HereWeFuckingGooo2025-09-24 05:09

I think the main problem is we never got to see her being corrupted so it didn't feel earned. The original script had Wanda helping Strange and the villain was Nightmare. Had they taken the time to flesh out her descent into evil and followed it up with a Scarlet Witch movie then nobody would have had an issue with her being a villain.

bloodyell762025-09-24 05:49

There’s a few character arcs they decided to speed run and therefore don’t land as well. Skurge/ Executioner is another. But at least he’s a minor character so the effect is mainly making him forgettable rather than making the audience go “huh?”

KalelRChase2025-09-24 05:54

Similar to the game of thrones problem

Meet_in_Potatoes2025-09-24 10:59

It was an after-credit scene of her flipping through the book, I think after Wandavision but not 100%. Still not enough though, totally. There's that whole "don't tell me, show me" thing about good movies and that it had corrupted her needed to be shown in that movie.

phantom_avenger2025-09-24 13:35

Yeah it’s almost like the same issue people had with Daenerys Targaryen!

Nobody had a problem with her becoming the villain, it’s just that the execution to get her there didn’t feel earned

Punky9212025-09-24 06:21

I was really happy with Wandavision, but then MoM felt like a retcon of everything great about WV. Bummed me out. But I was okay with her going villain - she started as one, went through absolute hell, and went back to being one. Made sense to me.

Superb_Plum_6272025-09-24 14:19

I don't know if it's true, but I've read that this was a production issue. "Multiverse of Madness" was supposed to come out first, showing Wanda so aggrieved over Vision that she tears across the multiverse searching for him. This was to be followed by "WandaVision" which would eventually redeem her and restore him. That arc makes sense!

Instead, the show was ready first, so it tacked on an ending in which she continues playing with dark magic, and the storyline of the movie was changed to make her looking for her sons instead of Vision, with a very different ending. This is why it feels like a retcon of "WandaVision."

I don't really care what ending she gets, but I do want her to be taken seriously. I was bummed that the show went to such trouble to develop her as a well-rounded person in spite of theTV genre-hopping, whereas the movie reduced her to a one-dimensional stock villain. She deserved better.

Supertron2002025-09-24 18:30

I don't think it was a retcon. To me, she was dealing with her trauma but the darkhold convinced her that she could have her child again. It's like offering an alcoholic a drink shortly after they stop drinking.

Roguesailer2025-09-23 22:23

Loki is not a good tv show and the character deserves better.

GUSplatoon2025-09-23 22:28

Oh this bold

SeekerVash2025-09-24 00:42

I'm split here.

1. I disagree, I think Loki is a good TV show and has strong hooks and pacing that makes it compelling to watch.

2. I agree that it is not a good MCU show because much of it is contrived and makes no sense when you think about it for even a minute or two. It even manages to contradict itself at times because the writing didn't focus on a consistent narrative.

So I think it's a good TV show, but I think it's a bad MCU show.

CaleBoi252025-09-24 03:38

I'm split on this. I really loved it, but I also know it's not perfect.

KalelRChase2025-09-24 06:02

I think that’s a it just has a filler and a half episode in the middle.

distilledwill2025-09-23 22:24

She Hulk, in the MCU, does not have a 4th wall-breaking superpower. It's just a narrative device. There is no K.E.V.I.N etc.

N8CCRG2025-09-23 22:25

After my latest full rewatch of the MCU, the least enjoyable movie for me is no longer The Incredible Hulk; it has been supplanted by Deadpool & Wolverine.

GUSplatoon2025-09-23 22:34

Oh damn. Care to share why?

N8CCRG2025-09-23 23:25

First I want to preface that I don't think any of the MCU movies are *bad* or hateworthy, this included. There are definitely elements I still enjoy from it. But they are less than in other projects, and there is more that irritates me than in other projects, and so it ends up at the bottom.

First, I really like it as a love letter to the Fox universe. Also, both Paradox and Cassandra are still great even on rewatch. But for the most part it's Deadpool doing his run-on mouth gimmick, and an avalanche of nostalgia pandering and fan service, and not much else. I don't find the humor very humorous especially on repeated viewing, and at least in the first two movies he had his friends around as sort of the straight man to balance them out. But Logan is just angry for the whole movie, and so ends up not really fulfilling that same role.

But overall I just don't feel any of the emotional elements. I don't find Deadpool's or Logan's stories really explored enough for them to land or have any weight, and in the end when they have the buddies sacrifice it feels off because they were arguing and hating each other up until that point and the turn to best friends felt like it came out of nowhere.

And the action sequences I find kind of boring, as they're mostly just invincible guys stabbing and shooting each other a bunch. Honestly by the time the big bus sequence comes (it's almost a oner, except they divide it into two with a random shot of Blind Al for some reason) I was bored and looking to see that there was still way too much movie remaining.

Also, there's a lot of poor CGI, and the pop soundtrack just does not work for me at all.

rattatally2025-09-23 22:26

Recasting Chadwick Boseman would not have been disrespectful to him or the character.

FX1142025-09-24 03:58

In fact, keeping the character he was proud to have brought into the mainstream, rather than shelving it, would have honored his legacy.

ferdelance22892025-09-24 04:47

Seconding this. Characters shouldn't be removed just because an actor passed away/quit/got replaced. Chadwick was great and did a great job as the Black Panther, but T'Challa should have continued to exist with a new actor.

Filthy_Joey2025-09-24 09:13

Yes, remember the Spartacus lead passed away too, recasting hurt no one

wondercube2025-09-24 04:59

This isn’t a hot take. I see this idea expressed all the time.

theHowlader2025-09-24 06:38

Not a hot take. Everyone except for marvel seems to think the same

RabbiShekky2025-09-24 06:41

And recasting Jonathan majors would have been just fine too

ImmaDoMahThing2025-09-24 06:52

I agree, even though I really liked him as Kang.

mondomonkey2025-09-24 07:11

That one i think was a contract thing. As if noone else can play kang for 20 years or some shit lol

Kdilla772025-09-24 09:33

Can you imagine being so toxic that a billion-dollar franchise changed their whole five-year plan to avoid associating with you? 🤣

Gr8NonSequitur2025-09-25 21:22

Also, KANG is honestly the most recast able role. They had like 9 Loki's in Season 1, why couldn't they just say this is the Kang the Conquerer variant ?

Kdilla772025-09-25 21:25

I totally agree. I think Majors did a great job as Kang and He Who Remains, but I think Denzel Washington in villain mode would have had a similarly majestic arrogance.

Thrilalia2025-09-24 13:31

And it would have worked, we know in the MCU multiverse not every universes version of a person looks/acts the same. (Just look at Spider-man) They even could have gone as far as to make a show/movie where the twist is this person who you might not have taken much notice of in the background is the new Kang. (or something along those lines)

chhuang2025-09-24 08:12

coldest take that cures global warming

CanYouStandTheRa1n2025-09-24 15:19

I'll add to this. Michael B Jordan could've been revived after he "died" as Killmonger and made the transition to be the Black Panther long term. Wakanda literally implemented his ideas and policies at the end of Black Panther. What could've been. SMH

wrainedaxx2025-09-23 22:28

The Marvels was a super fun movie.

GUSplatoon2025-09-23 22:32

I think it was fun and enjoyable

HanTrollo7102025-09-23 23:48

Iman Vellani has been a very endearing addition to the MCU, it’s just a shame that virtually no one has watched either of her projects

Sturmgeshootz2025-09-24 04:47

It’s definitely underrated, but suffers from a very weak villain. I wish they had put Carol up against someone other than *another* Kree warlord.

jonnyinternet2025-09-23 22:29

Endgame was the end of it

DigLean2025-09-23 22:29

Eternals is actually a great film

GUSplatoon2025-09-23 22:32

Oh bold take my friend. It’s my least favorite but I still like it

perfectpencil2025-09-24 04:32

But it would have been a better 6 episode Disney Plus season.

ferdelance22892025-09-24 04:47

I need to see Makkari again, that speedster fight was dope.

MegaDuckCougarBoy2025-09-24 04:52

Lauren Ridloff is a delight

nakiva2025-09-24 09:10

It was fun seeing a speedster actualy being Quick instead of slowing everything around them. It works when done right!

Punky9212025-09-24 06:22

I wish they had white knuckled it and followed through on whatever plans they had for the Eternals. Having this giant dude sticking out of the earth, now full of adamantium I guess? is silly as hell without all the surrounding context.

ConjwaD32025-09-24 07:51

Hottest take I’ve ever heard

Emergency-Ad-53792025-09-24 09:33

I loved it for the Celestials. Galactus in F4 felt underwhelming compared to Arishem.

They should have done a celestial saga before the multiverse one.

JoeHatesFanFiction2025-09-23 22:30

Ant-Man and the Wasp is a top 10 marvel film.

GUSplatoon2025-09-23 22:33

Oooooo, interesting

N8CCRG2025-09-23 23:32

It's not top 10 for me, but I definitely like it the best of the Ant-Man movies.

DCosloff19992025-09-23 22:31

I wished Peter and Liz stayed together. I would've loved to see drama between them and Vulture

Zealousideal_Leg2132025-09-23 22:31

Time travel is a cop-out solution.

yuzumelodious2025-09-23 22:32

Uncertain.

That I like Far From Home?

That the title sagas was meaningless?

That Captain America The Winter Soldier is only ONE of the best MCU films.

CaleBoi252025-09-24 03:31

Far From Home was super cool!

alkonium2025-09-23 22:33

Calling the main universe Earth-616 was a terrible idea. Even if 199999 was too long (not an issue when it's mentioned in Across the Spider-Verse), there are plenty of shorter unused numbers, as seen by the use of 828 and 838. Plus, the writers originally picked 616 as the main universe's number randomly in the comics to represent that it isn't special.

defiantstyles2025-09-24 04:14

Iman Vellani was right!

RabbiShekky2025-09-24 06:43

I don’t know, this feels like a Universe B.

Superb-Syrup-16392025-09-24 07:35

Also it’s weird how Mysterio said it

Regenitor_2025-09-24 08:45

This. And then Christine says in MoM that she's designated it 616. That's one hell of a coincidence...

Emergency-Ad-53792025-09-24 09:30

I imagine there's some sort of quantum marker, Mysterio was an engineer with a research team of scientists so would have had knowledge of multiversal theories as part of his persona's backstory. Also I think 616 first came up in Thor the dark world on Selvig's whiteboard, could be wrong though.

alkonium2025-09-24 23:40

>Also I think 616 first came up in Thor the dark world on Selvig's whiteboard, could be wrong though.

Specifically, he wrote "616 Universe" without anything else clarifying what he meant by it.

zlmb5_2025-09-24 08:56

They didn't do this to fuck with comics, they did this to establish this is a very different continuity and an entire different multiverse where they have separate cosmic entities, separate TVA, And separate everything

Alone-Ad60202025-09-24 14:19

I refuse to believe its the the live action 616 no way

Ivan_Redditor2025-09-24 14:31

They could’ve went with Earth-208, since it’s a shortened version of the year Iron Man came out (2008)

PurportedGrey2025-09-24 18:03

It's kind of crazy that redditors have more creativity than people being paid for their creativity.😂

bhuff31312025-09-23 22:34

I don't know how hot a take this is (maybe closer to mild): X-Men '97 and Your Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man are Marvel's 2 best shows.

Also (again not sure how hot this is) Thunderbolts is the 2nd-best post-Endgame film, behind only No Way Home.

GUSplatoon2025-09-23 22:37

First one I think is pretty cold but the second….mmmm I can see someone making that argument.

I will say I liked GOTG 3, Spider-Man NWH, Shang Chi, & Wakanda Forever over thunderbolts.

LeCapitaine932025-09-23 22:34

1. The Dark World was the best Thor movie, as both Thor 3 and 4 sucked and tried too hard to be the Guardians of the Galaxy.

2. The MCU started to be great when the first Guardians came out. No Phase 1 movie was really good.

GUSplatoon2025-09-23 22:36

I am upvoting this because it’s really bold. Thanks for sharing.

youwillcomedownsoon22025-09-23 23:12

Dark World hive rise up!!

CaleBoi252025-09-24 03:34

Yes! Eventually people will realize they're sleeping on this movie.

N8CCRG2025-09-23 23:30

After my most recent rewatch I adjusted my ratings and rankings, and with the exception of Avengers, all 5 of the other Phase 1 movies ended up in my bottom 13. Avengers 1 I have at 13th though.

And that's fine. Those movies were good at the time, but they learned what did and didn't work and the MCU got better with later movies.

CaleBoi252025-09-24 03:33

Oh my word a fellow Dark world fan, who is also a fellow Ragnarok hater?! You are the first person I have met to have this opinion without me having to convince you of it haha

HanTrollo7102025-09-23 22:34

Ragnarok was the worst thing that happened to Thor.

Did he need more personality? Absolutely

Did he need to become a himbo? Absolutely not

Infinity War Thor was amazing. But then we got Fat Thor and Love and Thunder.

I feel that if there was more time between Ragnarok’s success and Infinity War’s production, Thor would have been changed to be full on comic relief even sooner.

GUSplatoon2025-09-23 22:45

I love Ragnarok but it’s hard to disagree if I’m being honest

JoeHatesFanFiction2025-09-23 22:59

I kind of agree. I think they learned the wrong lesson from Ragnarok and GotG 1 and 2. The goal isn’t to just be funny. You’ve got to combine some actual heartfelt moments in there for it to work. Ragnarok has that coming from a couple different sources. Valkyrie struggling with her failures, Thor and Loki finally coming to terms, the suffering of Asgard. It has weight and we’re allowed to consider them before the next joke.

Love and thunder just doesn’t. It tries with Jane and Gorrs back story but it doesn’t give them any time to breathe. We just rush from joke to joke to joke.

DrewWho302025-09-23 22:40

Deadpool and Wolverine is a terrible movie.

imtired-boss2025-09-23 22:57

Deadpool & Wolverine wasn't that great.

Nemo11111112025-09-23 23:03

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PCofSHIELD2025-09-23 23:55

Captain America should have retired with Steve in Endgame and passing to Sam has done irreparable damage to the character

Just because something happens in the comics doesn’t mean it should happen in the movies

DigificWriter2025-09-24 00:02

Lets see how long this thread lasts.

On-subject, here we go:

\* Iron Man, Iron Man 2, and Iron Man 3 make up the best Trilogy in the MCU hands-down

\* Wanda Maximoff should stay dead

\* Objectively speaking, Secret Invasion is qualitatively on par with Captain America: The Winter Soldier

\* Making Sharon Carter The Powerbroker was a stroke of creative genius that made perfect sense for her character

\* Dario Scardapane absolutely made the right choice in choosing to ignore Matt Murdock's appearance in She-Hulk and pretend that it never happened

SeekerVash2025-09-24 00:26

Feige is the source of the MCU's problems, his track record post Endgame is horrible, and they should let him go & put someone else in charge of the MCU.

ToddYates2025-09-24 00:29

Bringing in all of the Fox characters for Doomsday is a mistake. We barely have enough characters that people care about to make an avengers team, the MCU should have focused on building itself back up. The last fox movie came out pre-pandemic, and a lot of people just aren’t going to care about these characters coming back, especially because the most hype one already has.

This is gonna kill the positive momentum of Thunderbolts-F4-SpiderMan.

Odd-Sound-5802025-09-24 05:10

well you don't know that for certain.

DSTREET452025-09-24 02:11

Apathy was a far bigger obstacle for recent MCU projects to overcome than hate.

AmaterasuWolf212025-09-24 12:34

This is it, I still haven't watched Eternals and I don't feel like I need to watch

steppedinhairball2025-09-24 15:02

I found Eternals to be a good movie. Not great, but good. Excellent camera work and film making. It explored human emotions and interactions. But it's not a fast paced movie. So it's not for everyone.

totokekedile2025-09-24 21:17

It might not be for everyone, but it is for me. It’s my favorite MCU project.

unreasonable-frog2025-09-24 03:25

Thor smells terrible

Camilo_creative2025-09-24 03:31

Fantastic Four was just okay, had a bad climax, and Galactus was not a good villain (though he looked awesome)

CaleBoi252025-09-24 03:31

Thor: Ragnarok is the worst of the trilogy (I refuse to acknowledge Love and Thunder lol, but that's not really a hot take haha)

av32productions2025-09-24 03:32

The Marvels has better action scenes than Deadpool and Wolverine

Adventurous_Coach7312025-09-24 03:34

Wakanda Forever was a really good movie and it’s so underrated. It was just a victim of superhero fatigue.

Additional_Ice_3582025-09-24 03:40

Phase 4 and 5 has improved a lot of aspects of the Infinity Saga.

They let a lot more of their emotional moments sit and breathe, characters and stories are more varied, and most importantly their writing for woman characters have improved ten fold.

YodaWattsLee2025-09-24 03:46

If I had to choose between the two, I’d choose to rewatch Secret Invasion over Thor: Love & Thunder.

Maximus3612025-09-24 03:47

Too many people post here asking for “hot takes”.

N8CCRG2025-09-24 05:46

You're not wrong, but I'd rather repetitions of the hot take question than repetitions of the popular opinion posts. "Does anyone else love Winter Soldier, hate Love and Thunder, think Eternals should have been a show, pretend Secret Invasion doesn't exist, etc.?"

Maximus3612025-09-24 05:53

Yes, those get old too.

W473R2025-09-24 13:31

Both problems could be solved if the "low effort" rule was enforced at all.

kclancy112025-09-24 15:36

Those are even worse. I’ve learned if you block anyone when they post these dumb “discussions” then eventually they pop up a lot less.

tokeroveragain2025-09-24 10:01

It’s a problem on almost every fan sub. Comments drive engagement, send them to the front, same “hot take” comments get heavily voted on every time. Some of them gotta be bots

Additional_Ice_3582025-09-24 03:47

-While I do love all Avengers movie Endgame would be my least favorite. For me it's like Return of the Jedi for the original trilogy of Star Wars. Love the closing of the chapter of the MCU, great moments, but movie has a whole had me left wanting a bit more.

-The best of phase 4 and 5 are some of Marvel's best as a whole.

-A reset is necessary to continue life into the franchise.

JargonJohn2025-09-24 03:47

Echo was a flawed but good show. I enjoyed the family dynamic and setting.

With a proper showrunner and budget, it could be a solid lower budget action series for the MCU.

It should get a season 2.

Confident-Gur-32242025-09-24 03:53

I feel like even though Black Panther was a good movie it shouldn't have been the first nor the only Oscar winning MCU movie.

FX1142025-09-24 04:02

Robert Downey Jr. did a great job, but not an irreplaceable one. There are a ton of actors who could have pulled off the role just as well as he did. It's also not that comic accurate, he kind of just bent the character to fit himself.

Chris Evans is the most impressive piece of casting in the MCU. It's one of the most difficult roles to bring to life in a rich and compelling way, and he nailed it.

graveybrains2025-09-24 05:23

Speaking of Chris Evans: with all off the effort they spent on CGI-ing Scrawny Steve into existence, why didn't they do anything with his voice? The booming baritone coming out of that little dude sounds so weird.

Tetr4Freak2025-09-24 09:26

My guess: The voice links you to him, not the face.

BlackPanther31042025-09-24 17:38

I think it's more than that. RDJ did a great job, but his personal story also parallels that of the Tony Stark he portrays in some ways, which adds to the experience. It was also important that they redid Stark's origin in some aspects, because the Iron Man film we got was great despite Iron Man being a lesser known A-list/better known B-list character at the time. So I agree, as with any character, I believe there is no "irreplaceable" acting job, but many other castings at that time would have made for much different movies that possibly wouldn't have been as well recieved.

ich-bin-on-that-shit2025-09-24 04:08

I like the new characters. Ms Marvel, She-Hulk, Moon Knight, all of em.

graveybrains2025-09-24 05:16

So far She-Hulk has been a waste of an *insane* talent, but other than that, no complaints.

Also, if you've never seen Orphan Black, you're missing out.

Dantien2025-09-24 17:10

Tatiana made the perfect Jennifer Walters.

CasuallyNaturally2025-09-24 04:19

Just fuckin start over already.

Every single character needs a younger actor who can carry their individual franchises and come together for big Avengers movies.

Stop killing the fucking villains.

Ryuugan802025-09-24 04:27

Wanda Maximoff was always a bad person. The darkhold's "corruption" didn't make her evil by itself. It just lowered her inhibitions. She can only act good when it's the most convenient path to accomplish whatever she wants to do. Which is not to say that SHE believes herself to be evil. She is absolutely delusional enough to consider herself to be a good person, which is worse.

I liked Ant man 3 more than Ant man 2. I was surprised to find out so many people hated it.

MCU Steve Rogers is not a paragon of virtue. He's definitely not a bad person, but he seems like a MUCH better guy than he actually is because the narrative itself has marked him as the best person without really thinking about how his actions come across.

AllFuzzedOut2025-09-24 04:46

Everything is at least enjoyable at worst. Yeah, even Secret Invasion.

GUSplatoon2025-09-24 04:47

I was with you until the last part

_dontjimthecamera2025-09-24 07:56

Secret Invasion functions as a Nick Fury-centric series that’s more of a character study. In that regard, I think it’s exactly what it needs to be.

As an adaptation of the comics, I mean yeah it’s kinda ass.

Apbuhne2025-09-24 04:47

Marvels was good

WordyNerd12025-09-24 05:02

I enjoyed Thor: Love & Thunder. I’m a big fan of Taika Waititi and while the movie has its share of flaws, it gets overhated on Reddit.

Mr_smith14662025-09-24 08:05

It's not a great film, but the level of hatred it gets is bizarre to me. It has heart and fun and moves swiftly, with a lot of creativity.

Hazzadcr162025-09-24 14:37

It's a tricky balance. The whole idea of the character of Gor and the reasons behind why he's doing what he's doing, combined with Jane having cancer, are two of the darker themes an MCU movie has dealt with. You need to try and have a lighter tone to make them passable as an MCU film. I personally don't enjoy the film, I don't think they got the balance right, but I get why they tried to handle it the way they did.

Aglet_Green2025-09-24 05:04

Here's my bold controversial hot-take opinion:

He says he's Groot, but he's not.

RiskE80Twitch2025-09-24 12:14

if not Groot then why Groot shaped 🤔

NihilistKurtWarner2025-09-24 16:09

Canon is that he is Groot’s son

TKJ2025-09-25 11:03

"I.. Am.. GROOT!!!...... Jr."

Feisty-Horror-32122025-09-24 05:18

She hulk as a good show

Mr_smith14662025-09-24 08:06

There are dozens of us!

Agent_14a2025-09-24 05:29

Eternals was a really good movie

People just don't have any actual criticism and just came up with "They didn't have any buildup with individual movies". In reality, they just cannot accept that some team up movies don't have some iron man or Cap type heroes...

Nonadventures2025-09-24 05:37

There aren’t enough dogs in the MCU

N8CCRG2025-09-24 05:41

I miss Fanny (Yelena's dog from the credits scene in Black Widow).

InItsTeeth2025-09-24 05:38

Thor 2 Loki is the best Loki has been in a movie

FelixEylie2025-09-24 15:14

I agree, he had the most depth and feel of a tragic anti-hero rather than a straight up villain as in Avengers or a laughable con man as in Rangarok.

Gojira_massive_dong2025-09-24 05:45

The MCU desperately needs Jessica Drew Spider-woman, could've elevated so many projects, specially Secret Invasion and The Marvels.

bjwills72025-09-24 05:57

The MCU has been great post endgame. There have been bad projects (secret invasion) but for the most part it's been great.

I think people just can't go back after the peak that was IW and endgame. To me post endgame has introduced some of my favorite movies in the franchise like GOTG3 and thunderbolts.

Tonga-Tonga2025-09-24 08:58

Some movies were hit and miss, most were simply good fun like The marvel, others were emotional like thunderbolts. And some were just enjoyable like BNW.

For some reason people have always expected movies to be "box office busters" and its made worse with MCU since the infinity saga was such a cultural phenomenon that they can't really replicate it due to the landscape of the world at that time. I would hope that they focus more on TV shows moving forward and not push out movies every 1 to 2 years to act as a "relief period" in order to stretch out release dates.

RabbiShekky2025-09-24 06:49

Marvel Studios will never top the Infinity War saga. That’s not a criticism, just a statement of fact. They caught lightning in a bottle with that project. I think it worked because we were all rooting for them to pull off this monumental feat. But now we’re _expecting_ them to repeat it and that’s just too high of an expectation.

ImmaDoMahThing2025-09-24 06:51

Probably a warm take but I don’t think post-endgame MCU has been bad. Only three projects have disappointed me: Quantumania, Love and Thunder (even though I kinda like it) and Secret Invasion. All the rest have been enjoyable for me.

Low-Dot28542025-09-24 07:12

what it began as a bold choice and raw comic-movie material is now one more corporate plastic empty chamber of recycled ideas, looking for money

Character_Mind_6712025-09-24 07:24

Incredible Hulk 2008 fucking rules

splatomat2025-09-24 07:32

Wanda is the villain of WandaVision. She mindraped an entire town, balked at the mere mortals trying to de-hex the aforementioned entire town, then flew away without even trying to make amends with her evil book of evilry.

beardedcoffeed2025-09-24 17:19

“Just because she’s the protagonist doesn’t mean she’s the good guy” is what I tell people

prwnasus2025-09-24 07:40

Black Panther is mid at best

AxisW12025-09-24 13:14

I disagree but I’m glad there are some critical hot takes and not just praise

PurifiedVenom2025-09-24 14:13

Yeah I hate to say it because I recognize the cultural importance of the movie, but the action is meh & the ending is a big, ugly CGI mess. I love Chadwick & Kilmonger is a great villain, but it’s a B tier MCU entry. Black Panther was 10x cooler in Civil War & that wasn’t even his movie.

Jdoggokussj22025-09-24 08:22

phase 4 and 5 wasnt as bad as people claim its just that people was comparing every film after phase 3 to infinity war endgame and no way home

eclowe2025-09-24 08:49

M’Baku should have taken the black panther mantle, not Shuri

B-52-M2025-09-24 09:24

Endgame is not good enough of a movie to be the gold standard. Like when I hear “Best MCU movie since Endgame,” I roll my eyes

terrasparks2025-09-24 12:13

The Marvels is not materially different from any other Marvel movie. The dislike for it is completely manufactured by people who don't seem to understand that Marvel has been "woke" since the 60's.

Kyr-Shara2025-09-24 13:42

MCU is failing because after winter soldier they dropped the ball by not doing spring soldier, summer soldier or fall soldier

n_mcrae_19822025-09-24 16:52

I liked "Eternals", but I really think it should've been a series instead, given the number of characters and complex backstory.

Primary_Departure_842025-09-24 18:16

Age of Ultron is the most accurate portrayal of the team in any movie.