Great, we definitely needed a reminder of the romance with the least amount of chemistry ever seen
AngryUncleTony2025-09-23 17:20
I am not a person who ships, but the chemistry between Steve and Natasha in The Winter Soldier so dwarfed anything else we saw between Bruce and Natasha. That might just be a chemistry between Chris and Scarlett thing...but still. I wasn't buying that relationship and could not have cared less about it. It could have been wiped from the story and it wouldn't have mattered. Maybeeee if it was Hulk and Natasha getting the soul stone I could buy it...but fucking Hawkeye carried the emotional weight of her loss more than her supposed lover.
ubutterscotchpine2025-09-23 17:41
Chris and Scarlett have such insane chemistry. They’ve played love interests before. And you honestly can’t tell me nothing happened during the five year blip lmao. I don’t often watch Winter Solider on my rewatches but I did this weekend and the chemistry between Nat and Steve was 🥵
bristow842025-09-23 21:41
They definitely have a hell of a chemistry but I liken it more towards a brother/sister type relationship rather than a romantic one.
ubutterscotchpine2025-09-23 22:06
There is no way you watched that car chase scene where she protects him from getting shot and got brother and sister vibes 😂
iNsAnEHAV0C2025-09-23 22:00
You dont watch Winter Soldier on rewatches? Thats like top 5 best MCU movie!
ubutterscotchpine2025-09-23 22:07
I don’t 😩 I typically skip Thor 2 and Dr. Strange too lol.
I will say, it’ll probably be added to my rewatches now, it was a good movie and solid screen time for Natasha.
iNsAnEHAV0C2025-09-23 22:10
I totally get skipping Thor 2.
I like Dr. Strange, but I get where people would not like it as much. Definitely wasted Mads Mikkelsen talents.
ThatTrampolineboy2025-09-23 18:11
This could have all been solved if they had another solo Hulk movie
althalusian2025-09-23 20:27
They don’t seem to want to as Universal still holds the rights to distribute Hulk’s solo movies.
brbmycatexploded2025-09-23 19:32
Was that chemistry? I thought Black Widow was being Black Widow. I’m not even trying to be snarky I really never saw that as genuine chemistry I saw it as two people being very good at their jobs.
AngryUncleTony2025-09-23 19:37
I'm not suggesting it was specifically romantic chemistry, but there was both a playfulness and vulnerability in their interactions - think about the "if it was the other way around, would you trust me" conversation. I mean they literally took their armor off for this scene. This dynamic continues into Endgame before the Time Heist.
youngmanlogan2025-09-23 19:48
I agree with this. I think in Winter Soldier there is an ambiguity to their interactions that could be interpreted as Natasha just being, well, the Black Widow or there being genuinely something more to it. Obviously they went the route of the two of them being very close friends but, prior to the end of Endgame, I never would have been shocked for them to get together.
Tinmanred2025-09-23 23:05
That’s why I like it actually. Clint and Natasha are genuine best friends at like sibling level. He should be the emotional weight of her loss with hulk on the side like they did. Nat was family to Clint. Natasha to hulk is a friend/ teammate and a girl he’s interested in. Refreshing imo to see the friend relationship take prio over a poorly done romance like most are in films like that anyways
PhotoBonjour_bombs192025-09-23 17:28
It’s so weird they had no scenes mentioning that in infinity war and endgame
jpj772025-09-23 17:33
There was literally one in each movie. They have an awkward reunion in Infinity War and then Hulk is visibly the most upset at the news of Nats death in Endgame.
PhotoBonjour_bombs192025-09-23 17:36
Ok then I want some direct mention about their live on screen not just vaguely lmao
PkLuigi2025-09-23 17:41
I don't. Indirect references are fine for such a cursed relationship.
jpj772025-09-23 17:41
Why do you need everything spelled out for you? The movie clearly showed their reunion was awkward because they had a relationship but Bruce left for years. Even still, Bruce cared for her greatly and it hurt him deeply when she died.
They don’t need to add a “hey remember when we dated” line simply for the sake of reminding everyone.
stick1_2025-09-23 17:46
That’s Thor and Jane
Universe_Nut2025-09-23 18:11
To be fair they're phenomenal as a broken up couple that gets a long well
Aiyon2025-09-23 22:17
I will give L&T shit for 98% of its choices, but Thor & Jane's dynamic is in that 2%
deekaydubya2025-09-23 18:26
honestly I've never seen portman in a role where she has chemistry with her love interest
igby12025-09-23 18:36
She did in “The Professional” but that was creepy.
mindwire2025-09-23 19:38
Oof lol
Carlits5552025-09-23 17:20
hopefully not lol
BanjoSpaceMan2025-09-23 17:51
That gif…
thiscentury2025-09-23 16:52
Crazy how this character is getting more push than people like Captain America, they did Mackie horrendously dirty.
It's also funny how a street level character has the most appearances in the Multiverse Saga, not Dr Strange, not Wanda, not Loki... Yelena lmao
AChineseSpyBalloon2025-09-23 16:55
One of my central issues with this saga is that I love the characters at the forefront while also acknowledging they *should not* be at the forefront.
MegaDuckCougarBoy2025-09-23 17:01
Fr, I do really like Yelena. Sidelining Shang-Chi is rough stuff though.
Rfl02025-09-23 17:04
Absolutely criminal he wasn’t in another movie like Strange in Ragnarok or something
EcksFountain1322025-09-23 17:33
The problem is that whilst Shang-Chi is awesome and he's a great character, Ten Rings really doesn't connect to a lot of other MCU stuff. Its basically a standalone Martial Arts movie.
Even Wong felt kind of shoehorned in there and the actor guy.
PayneTrain1819992025-09-23 17:44
The Ten Rings and Kamala’s bangles were meant to be part of the Kang storyline before it was scrapped.
EcksFountain1322025-09-23 17:47
Which is the problem- it was set up as part of a scrapped storyline. Gonna be a hard putting it back in.
Agreeable_User_Name2025-09-23 22:37
This is a non-issue. It's a comic book movie; everything is shoehorned. No one asked why Spider-man was introduced in a Captain America movie.
thiscentury2025-09-23 17:01
That's how I feel, she's fine, she's well written and likable but she's a D-list character at best, there's no reason she should be getting all this protagonism over more relevant and important characters.
Jabberwocky4162025-09-23 17:20
She’s the successor to one of the original 6 Avengers in-universe. And she’s a fan favorite. I think it’s great that she’s getting attention and important roles. Her being the lead of Thunderbolts is half of what made it so good.
ad_maru2025-09-23 17:30
She is the most liked new character after Endgame
thiscentury2025-09-23 17:32
Because she keeps getting appearances and development, not hard to figure out.
EcksFountain1322025-09-23 17:37
She doesn't though. Yelena's total appearances so far have been in 2 movies and 2 Episdoes of Hawkeye, and one of those movies wasn't even about her.
Arguing she's over exposed is like saying Ava or Bucky is over exposed.
EcksFountain1322025-09-23 17:35
How is Shang=Chi more relevant? I loved his movie but it wasn't connected to anything else in the MCU. They even decided the Ten Rings in Iron Man was a fake ripoff of the \*real\* Ten Rings organization and entirely unconnected to it.
EcksFountain1322025-09-23 18:45
Why? The main point of the Multiverse Saga is bringing in new characters, not just rehashing old ones.
sayshoe2025-09-23 16:56
And Shang-Chi! Look how they treating my boy
thiscentury2025-09-23 17:05
Is it too much to ask for him to show up in S2 of Born Again? He might be too powerful for that plot but I don't care, I wanna see him again, it's like they don't even remember he exists.
sayshoe2025-09-23 17:07
Launching a new character to commercial and critical acclaim just to have him warm the bench…Marvel what is you doing :’(
Galiphile2025-09-23 18:32
It's not an excuse, but the rumors about the ten rings, Ms. Marvel's bangles, and sling rings being Kang tech and the council coming to reclaim them would have been so awesome. I'm sad that storyline was scrapped.
Blindsid3d2025-09-23 17:11
They’d have to remove the rings somehow and then he’s a real solid street level hero.
mgiblue212025-09-23 17:32
Comic Shang-Chi would have been a great fit for Born Again. But the MCU version now with the rings is way too strong. Same reason that Murdock can't call up his big green booty call and ask her to help.
Vumi_2025-09-23 22:15
Can't they just have Shang-Chi leave his rings at Kamar Taj for further study. Basically, I'm kind of referring to the post credit scene of Shang-Chi's movie, where Wong told them that the rings were sending a message of some sort.
Not sure if it's a great idea, but I'm just spitballing ig.
I_am_so_lost_hello2025-09-23 17:01
Florence Pugh is a much better actress
Sob_Rock2025-09-23 17:04
Her characters isn’t though and there’s more room for Cap to build his status
I_am_so_lost_hello2025-09-23 17:10
I think Mackies Cap is pretty boring honestly, but it could also be because he was a side character in good movies and then the lead in a bad show and a bad movie.
To be fair Black Widow also sucked but Pugh was by far the best part of it.
Caleb9022025-09-23 17:01
Sure but when was the last project Mackie was the headliner of that makes as much waves as the projects Florence does? She carries more power around than he does.
Diortheking2025-09-23 17:42
They were both the leads of the last 2 Mcu movies and both flopped neither carries star power
happysunbear2025-09-23 17:03
Maybe this is a hot take, but I don’t know if Mackie has the “it” factor needed to carry a comic book movie. Florence is a star and Anthony is more of a supporting actor. I loved him as Falcon, but I just haven’t been crazy about him as Cap thus far. I get why they are pushing Florence as a rising Marvel star over him.
Agree that Loki, Strange and Wanda should all be key figures as we march towards the end of the multiverse saga. Kind of insane to me that America Chavez, whose power is to travel the multiverse, has only been seen once over three years ago.
SpiffySpacemanSpiff2025-09-23 17:10
I think pretty much everyone agrees with this, save the die hards.
His character has little development in the MCU, nor does he have much in the comics either. If I recall correctly he only became a cap after his introduction the MCU.
And add to that the facts that a regular deposed gut I just kinda boring/unbelievable, that we’d already seen the character perfectly done for a decade, and it makes all the sense in the world that he’s kinda… blah
happysunbear2025-09-23 17:13
I didn’t realize there wasn’t comic book precedence for Sam Wilson becoming Cap until after he was established in the MCU. Makes so much sense.
SpiffySpacemanSpiff2025-09-23 17:20
The general consensus from the comic book aficionados I know is that Sam bad call was introduced as cap so the MCU could make him cap instead of Bucky.
happysunbear2025-09-23 17:23
Bucky as Cap would have been better probably, but ultimately, I’m glad he got to keep his identity.
SpiffySpacemanSpiff2025-09-23 17:53
Well I mean that was the point of his character in the comics. His redemption from winter soldier to cap was the point.
The falcon cap doesn’t really have that same hit, especially since falcon was just always a good guy.
EcksFountain1322025-09-23 17:53
The trouble is that it resulted in Bucky being massively sidelined with many missed oppurtunities.
thiscentury2025-09-23 17:16
Every Marvel project Yelena has been in has been a commercial disappointment so I think you might be overestimating her star power. What Mackie's character needs is better writing, that's all, it's hard for people to be crazy about a character when the studio doesn't put him out there more consistently, it took almost 6 years for him to get a movie since Steve gave him the shield, that's ridiculous.
happysunbear2025-09-23 17:22
Yeah but it’s not like people are going to the theater in droves for Sam Wilson’s Captain America. He was never the main draw in any of Marvel’s commercial successes. Outside of the MCU, Florence does have star power, and I find her character and performances in the MCU to be much more compelling than Anthony Mackie’s. It doesn’t help that we had such a perfect Cap for so long. Those red boots are hard to fill.
EcksFountain1322025-09-23 17:59
Its not a fair comparison in any way. AM has been in like 8 movies since 2014 and had his own show. Yelena has been in 1 movie, the commercial success of which was limited by being released on Digital at the same time as it came out in theaters and 2 Episodes of a Disney Plus show.
EcksFountain1322025-09-23 17:57
Sorry but that just doesn't work. Sam had appearances aplently before Endgame and got his own show afterwards. Then when they did give him a movie, it was a flop.
Yelena hasn't been in anything like as many projects as Sam- one movie released during Covid and 2 Episdos of a Disney Plus show. There's really very little to go by with her.
EcksFountain1322025-09-23 17:52
The problem is Wanda is supposedly dead and they have done a hatchet job on her (as per Multiverse of Madness). Strange's role is always going to be rather limited by his abilities and powers. Loki is the only one who is really viable.
Aiyon2025-09-23 22:19
Mackie plays off people really well. Phenomenal supporting actor. But he's just not a *solo* lead in my eyes. When he has people to bounce off he's great, but any time you try to get him to do the Cap speeches he lacks the, for lack of a better term, aura that Evans had as cap
Responsible_Egg75192025-09-23 17:07
Yelena isn’t taking any appearances away from those characters, and she’s only been in Black Widow, Hawkeye, and Thunderbolts (two of which she was a supporting character in). That’s not really anything crazy. It makes sense to use a young, Oscar-caliber actress while they have her.
And the New Avengers are based in New York, which is where BND is set. It would be weirder if none of them appeared at all.
TN_Jed132025-09-23 20:41
Preach. This makes total sense for multiple reasons.
hercarmstrong2025-09-23 17:08
Florence Pugh is the best actor Marvel has, and she's got tons of charisma with pretty much everyone.
thiscentury2025-09-23 17:12
That's a crazy thing to say when Marvel has people like Cumberbatch, Hiddleston, Nyong'o, Olsen and other incredibly talented actors in their ranks. Stop the glaze, she's a fine actress but she's not the best.
JoshTHX2025-09-23 17:17
She’s absolutely the best, you dimwit.
JDeegs2025-09-23 17:23
Lupita has been underused, and Pugh is at least on par with the others mentioned, so saying she's the best isn't crazy as long as the person acknowledges it's because of personal preference.
I'd have her and Hiddleston as my top 2 and that's mostly because thunderbolts and Loki did a better job of fleshing out their characters than something like MoM for Wanda and strange
DUNG_INSPECTOR2025-09-23 17:26
Will people like you ever be able to understand that their opinions are no more valid than anyone else's? You believing that she isn't the best doesn't negate their belief that she is.
poopfartdiola2025-09-23 20:43
I love all this talk of who's the best actor Marvel has, meanwhile Pugh's least interesting role is easily Yelena. Its easily the one role that underutilises her acting chops because that god-awful Russian accent had to be a thing.
Herbizarre172025-09-23 17:11
Florence Pugh and Yelena are just popular. They aren’t really pushing as much as trying to capitalize on the star power they have with her and the popularity of her character amongst fans.
PayneTrain1819992025-09-23 17:28
Yes, they developed her properly while other characters like Shang-Chi and Kate Bishop would be in similar situations if they had 3 live action appearances by now.
bristow842025-09-23 21:47
If I was Hailee Steinfeld I really hope she didn’t sign a contract that could completely fuck over her schedule. She really should have been utilized more.
Caedyn_Khan2025-09-24 00:14
Yea they fumbled with Shang Chi. I think he was supposed to get a sequel but it fell apart when they pivoted away from Kang. Maybe Kate Bishop will also be in Brand New Day, its in New York after all.
PayneTrain1819992025-09-24 00:15
If it gives us Kate and Yelena together again, I’m all for it.
TypeExpert2025-09-23 17:47
Idk, Thunderbolts box office performance makes you question if she's even popular. She's a cool character without a doubt, but when it was time to lead a Marvel film, barely anyone showed up. In fact, the movie lost money.
Worzon2025-09-23 17:14
Yeah I’m already over her. There are actually important and better characters to cover but she keeps getting pushed into all these storylines for some reason
Spider-man20982025-09-23 17:17
What’s fucking wild is that we are at a time in our history where the iconography and message of Captain America could be legitimately helpful to the discourse, and instead we get the most milquetoast, middle of the road movie that has nothing to say about anything.
They did Mackie dirty, but they did us *all* dirty. The world needs Captain America right now.
thiscentury2025-09-23 17:24
The reception to Superman was so great because it dared to address the times we are in right now, meanwhile BNW had a raging zionist in its cast and was more US military trash about them wanting to control resources over other countries, what a disaster.
navjot942025-09-23 17:26
They’re too worried about making an actual statement.
EcksFountain1322025-09-23 17:30
Wanda had a whole show devoted to her, aside from all her movie appearances. Yelena has had what? 2 movies and one wasn't really about her, plus 2 Episodes in Hawkeye.
And Wanda is meant to be dead.
LegendaryOutlaw2025-09-23 17:40
Based on the characters you mentioned. They all need CGI pretty much any time they’re on screen. Yelena doesn’t have magic to animate. Plus she’s got great chemistry with pretty much everybody, just like Nat did.
ubutterscotchpine2025-09-23 17:45
I mean… you do realize that Natasha ALSO had the most appearances across the franchise as well, right? Two(?) Iron Man movies, several Captain America movies, all four Avengers movies, the Black Widow movie. I’ve thought for a long time that the reason the multiverse is failing so badly is because they don’t have a Natasha.
I’m not saying they haven’t done Mackie dirty, but Sam has been in decades of films, carried two mantles, and they honestly failed him badly by not making his film an Avengers film with him assembling his team instead. You can simultaneously want them to do Sam right while also recognizing they’re doing another character correctly as well.
ritwik42442025-09-23 18:06
The fact that Mackie's first movie as Captain America basically feels like an Incredible Hulk sequel is so funny and sad to me.
Samhunt9092025-09-23 18:09
Nah dude..it’s just that audiences aren’t accepting him as CA. Pretty strong on that case
deekaydubya2025-09-23 18:27
It's crazy that making characters likeable means people will like them lol. If only marvel had done this with the rest of the current roster
UserWithno-Name2025-09-23 18:30
Florence is hot (both looks and her career) and people have fallen in love with yelena. Of course they’re pushing her.
cuckingfomputer2025-09-23 18:41
>a street level character
BW is more of a... International crime and espionage character.
A bit above street-level.
Aiyon2025-09-23 22:18
I mean Street Level characters end up the ones at the front because their stories inherently are more character driven due to the relatively mundane powers. A Dr Strange movie is going to be much more about fucky magic, even if there's characterisation
its why GOTG 1 and 3 work so well. they're cosmic sure, but they're character pieces first
90zvision2025-09-23 16:54
Why?
ayruos2025-09-23 16:54
What else could she possibly return as?!
Realistic_Analyst_262025-09-23 16:59
Big Wheel
Qualityhams2025-09-23 18:28
Gwen Stacy
StormCloudRaineeDay2025-09-23 19:34
A variant
KENT4272025-09-23 19:57
Baba Yaga
gallifrey_2025-09-23 20:36
Barbara Jagger
shewy922025-09-23 23:51
I think they go by Grogu.
Author-S2025-09-23 20:17
J jonah jameson
RoliePolieOlie__2025-09-23 16:56
Meh
MrZeral2025-09-23 17:00
There are plans to canonize Agents of Shield?
MegaDuckCougarBoy2025-09-23 17:00
This rumored cast list is getting out of control. Not complaining, mind, but how are they gonna fit this many people into what's ostensibly a street-level story?
DarthDinkster2025-09-23 17:15
Tbf, just because she’s on the cast list doesn’t mean she will have a large role. Depending on when this takes place, which I assume is after Thunderbolts, she could show up briefly on tv doing some New Avengers PR, or help Peter out at some point, again as part of her role in the New Avengers
Bogus_342025-09-23 17:17
Or try to recruit Spider-man for the New Avengerz
DarthDinkster2025-09-23 17:19
Also true. Considering Hulk will be involved, I assume the conflict will turn into a citywide thing, which hopefully will be noticed by Yelena and her team
WeirdIndividualGuy2025-09-23 22:28
> I assume the conflict will turn into a citywide thing
Another citywide thing that will somehow never affect other NY superheroes
ricardo510682025-09-23 17:23
The article linked claims there's more heroes than Yelena, who are just cameos. I expect Yelena to have a cameo level appearance like how Spider-Man: Homecoming has Captain America.
PayneTrain1819992025-09-23 17:29
Maybe representatives of both Avengers teams are there to recruit Spidey and to confirm to the audience Sam actually has a team now.
PayneTrain1819992025-09-23 17:25
The New Avengers are now based in NYC, so it makes sense they’d be around.
Diortheking2025-09-23 18:08
How many NY based hereos never show up for world ending events in other movies you could say this for every film
PhotoBonjour_bombs192025-09-23 17:29
The writers
ubutterscotchpine2025-09-23 17:46
Sounds like they’re doing what they should’ve been all along. It’s insanely unbelievable that a huge battle would take place in a city where a dozen superheroes reside and none of them would show up. Wouldn’t mind a mention or appearance from Kamala and Kate too.
Adriano_Mancini2025-09-23 17:01
Zzzzzzzz
SlimSieber2025-09-23 17:07
_Levitated_Shield_2025-09-23 17:08
"Hiiiiiii."
PayneTrain1819992025-09-23 17:24
“I made macaroni if you want some?”
“…I’m sorry, what?”
SecretWarsIsComing2025-09-23 17:43
“You have one fork?”…
cynognathus2025-09-23 18:20
Kate! This is not cutlery. This is not cutlery.
SryInternet1012025-09-23 21:45
Man, I need to rewatch Hawkeye this Christmas.
PayneTrain1819992025-09-23 23:14
Definitely worth adding to the annual watch list!
Mcspeed1232025-09-23 23:06
Kate: "I'm one person." 😂😂
PayneTrain1819992025-09-23 23:14
This was actually Hailee rolling with Florence improvising the fork line.
Mcspeed1232025-09-23 23:25
Oh nice,love them two.She better have a slice of the pie in Doomsday.
ThisGuyHaris2025-09-23 22:08
*Pours hot sauce on macaroni* “Hm Yeeessssss”
kerakk192025-09-23 23:58
When did she had long hair? Is it from the black widow movie?
britbmw2025-09-24 00:07
From the Hawkeye series
EliasFromMoobys2025-09-24 00:58
Hawkeye series
gornky2025-09-23 17:08
This is old news. We knew this months ago.
_Levitated_Shield_2025-09-23 17:09
She'll finally get to visit the 'new and improved' Statue of Liberty.
Oriolebird92025-09-23 17:10
Trying to recruit Peter for The New Avengers?
Adorable_Spell75622025-09-23 18:22
You are wrong, she is recruiting him for the New AvengerZ (no copyright because Red Gurdain is a smart man)
forever872025-09-23 19:16
a black widow checking to see if this "spider-guy" could pull off the perfect pose
Article says there's more heroes, too, with just Matt Murdock cameo level of appearance.
WickyGif2025-09-23 17:12
Obviously because Kate Bishop will be involved and they are one of the best duos in the MCU.
Please.
Fhaksfha7942025-09-23 17:17
Good, I want the MCU to be more connected. Honestly it would make less sense for the leader of the new avengerz, who’s hq is in New York, to not have at least a cameo in this movie
Alleggsander2025-09-23 17:18
Not sure how I feel about all these cast announcements.
On one hand, yeah, Civil War style ‘Avengers movie disguised as a stand alone character’s movie’ is cool. I also love all of these characters. But damn, I kind of just want a somewhat regular Spider-Man story. If these are true, it’s getting too big.
Secksualinnuendo2025-09-23 17:19
Hopefully Kate Bishop will join her!
Mediocre_Scott2025-09-23 17:58
Kate Beeshop
PayneTrain1819992025-09-24 00:05
Crossing my fingers for some Yelena and Kate interactions in Zombies tomorrow.
If we seriously go that show and TWO Avengers movies with them both presumably leading or co-leading teams (New Avengers and Young Avengers) without them interacting again it’ll be among the biggest disappointments in MCU history. They cannot be waste chemistry that good.
BartleBossy2025-09-23 17:24
Florence is the charismatic center that the MCU needs to build around.
Shes the closest to one of the big3 that this new era has seen.
ubutterscotchpine2025-09-23 17:48
I’ve thought for awhile that the thing the MCU is lacking is a Natasha, who appeared in several Iron Man and Cap movies, her own movie, all four Avengers movies, also in Ragnarok as a holo I believe. She tied the movies together. I hope they’re taking Yelena on the same path, Florence can definitely hold things together.
Diortheking2025-09-23 18:10
Big 3 are characters that can carry a trilogy of solos thats not yelena
BartleBossy2025-09-23 18:14
I entirely disagree. I think she could 100% carry a trilogy of solos.
She is a more interesting, more charismatic Natasha.
They need to give her a *real* espionage director for her own projects, and then have her appear as a strategic, connective tissue between teams and projects.
Street level characters make better connective tissue, because they can appear anywhere without solving the plot for whichever protagonist is supposed to be the main feature.
TheTangerineLounge2025-09-23 17:26
/Jay Pal: Could you please give us a clue who is going to be the main villain of Spider-Man: Brand New Day? Recent discoveries have made it seem that Alistair Smythe / The Spider-Slayer could be the big villain, based on the mood board leaks from Pinterest.
Alex Perez: It’s simpler, meaner, badder, and even Tom Holland technically spoiled it in an interview./
I wonder what that was about.
AppropriatePurple6092025-09-23 17:29
Love Yelena but how is Sam, Shang Chi and Moon Knight getting less appearances, no cameos or mentions. Cmon man.
Complex-Signature-852025-09-23 17:35
Remember when Spiderman movies were just about Spiderman? Im glad we have this HUGE cinematic universe. It's awesome, and we really are spoiled with it. But FF: First Steps reminded me how nice it was to go see a superhero movie and not have to watch a decades worth of movies and some shows to know what is happening. And those superhero movies were just about THOSE heroes. It feels like Marvel doesn't think Spiderman is good enough to hold his own movies himself, so they add other Marvel characters to it.
13WillieBeaman2025-09-23 17:36
Maybe this will be the Daredevil/Black Widow relationship instead of Nat?
black_metronome2025-09-23 17:37
Keep building around Yelena please. Flo is an amazing actress and a sweetheart
MVBanter2025-09-23 17:43
If she is, most likely post or end credit scene to try and recruit Peter into the New Avenger~~s~~z
Intelligent_Creme3512025-09-23 17:51
I guess this is further confirmation.
mmazurr2025-09-23 17:51
Who actually is this guy answering questions? I looked him up but couldn't find anything concrete on him. Is he working on the movie or something? Or is this just a random guy saying things to make big headlines?
Evorgleb2025-09-23 18:01
Dont believe anything from that website.
EcksFountain1322025-09-23 18:06
Wild to me how people are saying Yelena is over-exposed when before Thunderbolts she'd been in one movie, the commercial success of which was hampered by its Pandemic release and 2 Episodes of Hawkeye. Give the girl a chance I say. Established characters like Sam and Hulk have had more than enough exposure and appearances.
Responsible_Egg75192025-09-23 18:24
Calling her irrelevant and then asking for Shang-Chi and Moon Knight…lmfao
EcksFountain1322025-09-23 18:42
She's hardly "irrelevant"- also the MCU needs more female leads, lets be real. Look I like both Shang-Chi and MK but they hardly relate to the wider MCU at all, they're essentially standalone characters doing thier own seperate thing. .
cleaninfresno2025-09-23 18:07
Didn’t we hear about this like two months ago
Bower17382025-09-23 18:10
Yelena recruiting Punisher for the Thunderbolts in the post credit scene gonna hit like crack
SonicFlash012025-09-23 18:13
Requesting Squirrel Girl teaser in mid-credits scene
Marvel please I don't ask for much. I even paid to see Quantumania :(
Turbulent-Agent96342025-09-23 18:23
Wasn't this reported weeks ago?
radikraze2025-09-23 18:28
Hopefully some of these rumored characters are just cameos or not actually in the movie. I want an MCU Spidey movie to focus on only Peter for once without other MCU characters sharing his spotlight
__wasitacatisaw__2025-09-23 18:29
Is OP the Internet Explorer?
SarcasticSuperhero92025-09-23 18:44
BRING ME STEINFELD
KCMlink2025-09-23 18:51
Smart move
SloppyChops2025-09-23 18:56
Could she be trying to recruit Spider-Man into her Avengers line up?
TarnishedAccount2025-09-23 19:00
That’s fun news! Recruiting for the New Avengerz?
EdgeLord2215154152025-09-23 19:15
I really think Brand New Day might be a secret soft reboot vehicle with how many big MCU players are showing up
KOStrongStyle2025-09-23 20:02
Not sure I trust the source but if it's true - awesome. I'm always happy to have more of Florence in the MCU.
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I will say, it’ll probably be added to my rewatches now, it was a good movie and solid screen time for Natasha.
I like Dr. Strange, but I get where people would not like it as much. Definitely wasted Mads Mikkelsen talents.
They don’t need to add a “hey remember when we dated” line simply for the sake of reminding everyone.
It's also funny how a street level character has the most appearances in the Multiverse Saga, not Dr Strange, not Wanda, not Loki... Yelena lmao
Even Wong felt kind of shoehorned in there and the actor guy.
Arguing she's over exposed is like saying Ava or Bucky is over exposed.
Not sure if it's a great idea, but I'm just spitballing ig.
To be fair Black Widow also sucked but Pugh was by far the best part of it.
Agree that Loki, Strange and Wanda should all be key figures as we march towards the end of the multiverse saga. Kind of insane to me that America Chavez, whose power is to travel the multiverse, has only been seen once over three years ago.
His character has little development in the MCU, nor does he have much in the comics either. If I recall correctly he only became a cap after his introduction the MCU.
And add to that the facts that a regular deposed gut I just kinda boring/unbelievable, that we’d already seen the character perfectly done for a decade, and it makes all the sense in the world that he’s kinda… blah
The falcon cap doesn’t really have that same hit, especially since falcon was just always a good guy.
Yelena hasn't been in anything like as many projects as Sam- one movie released during Covid and 2 Episdos of a Disney Plus show. There's really very little to go by with her.
And the New Avengers are based in New York, which is where BND is set. It would be weirder if none of them appeared at all.
I'd have her and Hiddleston as my top 2 and that's mostly because thunderbolts and Loki did a better job of fleshing out their characters than something like MoM for Wanda and strange
They did Mackie dirty, but they did us *all* dirty. The world needs Captain America right now.
And Wanda is meant to be dead.
I’m not saying they haven’t done Mackie dirty, but Sam has been in decades of films, carried two mantles, and they honestly failed him badly by not making his film an Avengers film with him assembling his team instead. You can simultaneously want them to do Sam right while also recognizing they’re doing another character correctly as well.
BW is more of a... International crime and espionage character.
A bit above street-level.
its why GOTG 1 and 3 work so well. they're cosmic sure, but they're character pieces first
Another citywide thing that will somehow never affect other NY superheroes
“…I’m sorry, what?”
> https://np.reddit.com/r/raimimemes/comments/rkn8q1/hes_such_a_poser/
Please.
On one hand, yeah, Civil War style ‘Avengers movie disguised as a stand alone character’s movie’ is cool. I also love all of these characters. But damn, I kind of just want a somewhat regular Spider-Man story. If these are true, it’s getting too big.
If we seriously go that show and TWO Avengers movies with them both presumably leading or co-leading teams (New Avengers and Young Avengers) without them interacting again it’ll be among the biggest disappointments in MCU history. They cannot be waste chemistry that good.
Shes the closest to one of the big3 that this new era has seen.
She is a more interesting, more charismatic Natasha.
They need to give her a *real* espionage director for her own projects, and then have her appear as a strategic, connective tissue between teams and projects.
Street level characters make better connective tissue, because they can appear anywhere without solving the plot for whichever protagonist is supposed to be the main feature.
Alex Perez: It’s simpler, meaner, badder, and even Tom Holland technically spoiled it in an interview./
I wonder what that was about.
Marvel please I don't ask for much. I even paid to see Quantumania :(