The Marvels villain should have been Rogue

First, I’ll start off by saying that I enjoyed The Marvels. It’s not one of my favorites but I watched it again a few weeks ago for the first time since it was released, and it was enjoyable. The chemistry between the three main leads was really enjoyable, especially Kamala Khan’s portrayal.

One route I wish they would have taken is Rogue being the main villain. The multiverse went into whack, Rogue got transported and did not know what was going on. She unintentionally takes Carols power away. This causes Carol to hold a deep resentment towards Rogue. Carol then must learn throughout the film how to rely less on her powers and instead rely on Monica and Kamala. Monica and Rogue end up switching universes at the end of the film.

This could have also led to a nice third film where Carol goes into depression out of losing her powers. But now with the looming mutant registration act, Carol must act before her friend (Kamala) and enemy (Rogue) are killed by mutant hating terrorists. The film would balance depression but also recognizing that even if you dislike someone, you should do things for the greater good.

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N8CCRG2025-09-23 01:37

The level of obsession that some in this fandom have with wanting the MCU to have Rogue take away Carol's powers is really bizarre.

GUSplatoon2025-09-23 01:42

Wanting something that pulls from the comics is bizarre?

letsmediealoneonmars2025-09-23 01:44

Wanda and Pietro fucked in the comic do you want that too?

Jubba092025-09-23 01:45

Yes

AFineDayForScience2025-09-23 02:00

I bet you didn't see that coming

GUSplatoon2025-09-23 01:45

You’re incredibly weird for suggesting that.

letsmediealoneonmars2025-09-23 01:45

But its something pulling from the comic, wasnt that what you argued?

GUSplatoon2025-09-23 01:48

I wanted Spider-Man to have gadgets because it’s comic accurate. Is that bizarre?

What you’re doing is pulling the most extreme bad example. It’s a bad faith argument. You’re appealing to the extremes. You’re a weirdo bro. Genuinely. I’m not gonna reply to someone with a straw man argument.

letsmediealoneonmars2025-09-23 01:52

No, its the same logic. You are using the argument thats its from the comic as a source when it being from the comic is entirely irrelevant

Batmanfan19662025-09-23 01:49

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letsmediealoneonmars2025-09-23 01:51

The Ultimate universe isnt non-canon lmao its one of the most important continuities of Marvel ever

Batmanfan19662025-09-23 01:52

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letsmediealoneonmars2025-09-23 01:53

616 isnt the only canon one, you know that right? Thats pretty basic knowledge

Batmanfan19662025-09-23 01:53

I don’t think you know what canon means.

DecoyOne2025-09-23 01:54

To be fair, it was *a* canon. And a canon that the MCU has pulled from.

DecoyOne2025-09-23 01:52

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N8CCRG2025-09-23 01:49

To this level, yes.

First, the MCU is an adaptation of the comics, not a reproduction. There will always be far more story elements from the comics that will never make it onto the screen than ever do make it. Partially just because there's like 75 years worth of content to draw from, and also because the comics have rebooted and changed stories so much that some of the content is contradictory with itself. And also because as an adaptation, things will be changed too, like how each new reboot/run in the comics makes changes instead of just telling the exact same stories all over again.

But this particular storyline is one that some in the fandom have *such* a bizarre obsession with. Like there's some sort of Danvers Law: as an online discussion about Carol grows longer, the probability of people wishing this storyline happens (or had already happened) approaches one. I can't think of any other comic story that happens as often, or as fast, as that for the MCU discussions.

GUSplatoon2025-09-23 01:51

I can see. Thanks for clarifying and not being weird about it. I asked my question to understand. I suggested this idea because I thought it could explore elements like Thunderbolts where Carol overcomes her struggles and triumphs. Not because of the overall problematic storyline in the comics.

reyknow2025-09-23 01:44

Rogue is more popular than ms marvel, sinple as that.

blackmachine3122025-09-23 01:45

Is she though?

emotionaI_cabbage2025-09-23 01:56

I mean... Yeah? Technically?

She can steal and use anyone's powers. That means she can be weaker or stronger than any other character lol

blackmachine3122025-09-23 01:57

Carol has more solo runs than Rogue and more comic appearances and was also at the front of many big events.

emotionaI_cabbage2025-09-23 01:59

He said Ms Marvel, not Captain Marvel.

blackmachine3122025-09-23 02:05

I'm counting Carol as both Ms. Marvel and Captain Marvel. Also fun fact: Carol has been CM for longer than she was Ms. Marvel

PhaseSixer2025-09-23 01:57

Yeah.

GUSplatoon2025-09-23 01:45

It has nothing to do with popularity. More with how cool of a story you can write about.

blackmachine3122025-09-23 01:56

Carol has some good and I dare say amazing runs. Marvel should get good writers who want to tell these cool stories.

What are the "cool" stories Rogue has because aside from the one where she stole Carol's power, I'm not seeing people talking about them.

N8CCRG2025-09-23 01:52

Debatable, but more importantly, that doesn't mean this story has to be identical. The MCU has already changed more backstories than it has kept the same. Why are people obsessed with this particular one being played out this way?

blackmachine3122025-09-23 02:01

Because they don't like Brie Larson simple as that. I wouldn't mind seeing an adaptation of this story, but it's CM and Rogue teaming up and Carol willingly giving a shred of her powers to Rogue.

reyknow2025-09-23 05:56

Thats not how it happened in the comics tho. Rogue taking cm's powers is a big part of her story. Its like batman's parents getting gunned down in the alley with pearls flying off martha wayne's grip kind of scene.

Whats with some people's obsession with defending brie larson tho?

Fawqueue2025-09-23 01:50

Why? It's arguably the most memorable thing about Carol Danvers.

blackmachine3122025-09-23 11:59

Nope

DweebNRoll2025-09-23 01:52

That's why I think Gi'ah is the substitute for her powers.
She's in England, and the Brotherhood could also be there....
You skip the coma, etc.
We'll see, but it makes the most narrative sense

emotionaI_cabbage2025-09-23 01:57

Let's just forget Gi'ah exists and hope that Disney does as well.

DweebNRoll2025-09-23 02:01

Right, but she can just be a plot point. Then afterwards she'd be gone, it's a win win lol

shwarma_heaven2025-09-23 01:37

It would have been an awesome exit for Brie. In the comics, Rogue doesn't just absorb Danvers powers, she absorbed her entire psyche... And she basically suffered from schizophrenia from them on .

iwannalynch2025-09-23 01:55

Would it? Sounds like a pretty horrible way to go.

shwarma_heaven2025-09-23 05:50

She was not very appreciated in that role, and it sounds like not very happy. Yes, awesome in that she would be going out in a dramatic, memorable, and comic book accurate way.

iwannalynch2025-09-23 12:25

Or, you know, give her a heroic ending, where she goes out in a blaze of glory saving a planet or something. Or a happy one where she retires somewhere with her loved ones. Not this. Come on.

Samaritan_Pr1me2025-09-23 01:47

Man, this would have been so cool.

Illustrious-Fix-54212025-09-23 01:49

I feel like it only makes sense to do this if you’re trying to write Captain Marvel out of the MCU. She’s already seen as a divisive character, I don’t think diminishing her is the right idea unless you’re actively trying to get rid of her

GUSplatoon2025-09-23 01:52

No. I would want her to stick around.

Furlock_Bones2025-09-23 01:56

I think this would have made more sense if they didn't give Carol her Binary powers right off the bat. It would be weird for Rogue to steal her powers at this point.

arteriu2025-09-23 01:59

i wanted the marvels to be captain marvel 2 and be about how she destroyed the supreme intelligence and then the marvels as captain marvel 3, we cant all have what we want.