I wouldn’t be surprised if this story never gets resolved…which sucks
Hercules, Eternals, Mordo or even the Agatha show ending with them finding Tommy.
If marvel is gonna focus on the X-MEN in the next saga post secret wars, is there any room for Riri’s story?
If marvel is gonna focus on the X-MEN in the next saga post secret wars, is there any room for Riri’s story?
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riri is going to be in champions (and probably doomsdsay/secret wars), which has a showrunner and starts filming early next year
It’s easily one of the most divisive subjects online. There’s as many people saying they want it as those saying they don’t.
And online is a tiny portion of fans. Outside of forums like this, the general audience has never heard of them. And the general audience has so far rejected every single possible member the MCU has introduced.
The characters *might* appear in DD and SW, but there’s no announced movie yet and the MCU is rebooting after SW, so the chances are slim.
Edit: we’ve even had the cast announcement and *none* of the YA are on it.
Chavez definitely sits in the realm of neither loved or hated. She’s had basically zero impact on the MCU. She was little more than a prop in MoM.
Audiences loved Florence Pugh in BW, but nobody watched Hawkeye, and nobody watched Thunderbolts.
Everyone liked Kate Bishop. But that’s only everyone who watched Hawkeye. Which nobody did.
Agatha got good reviews but low viewership and nobody’s been demanding more Wanda Jnr.
The audiences outright rejected Riri in BP2. 99% of responses to her role were “why?” Then again, nobody watched her show.
Who does that leave that’s in the MCU? Kid Loki? He wasn’t a character. He was a cameo. And again, nobody asking Marvel to bring him back.
Edit: I forgot Ant-Daughter. We’re on her third actress and people still don’t care. If anything people actively disliked her most recent portrayal.
So…
From *all* of the possible YA announced so far, *none* of them have been announced in the casting for Doomsday other than Yelena. And was she ever one of them? She’ll be 30 in 3 months and is already 3 years older than Scarlett Johansson was when she was in the first Avengers movie.
> Kamala was in the lowest viewed D+ show
Echo.
> It doesn’t matter that she was liked (which she should be, she was great), the audience outright rejected the character. Twice.
Even the negative audience reviews said "we like this character, just give her a better script." That's not the audience rejecting the character.
> nobody watched Hawkeye, and nobody watched Thunderbolts.
Hawkeye has about 12.3 million views. Thunderbolts sold about 23.8 million tickets.
> Then again, nobody watched [Riri's] show.
I can't find a view number for Ironheart yet, but it was the #1 show on D+ for 3 weeks, & it was in the top 10 of all streaming originals for 2 weeks.
And Ms Marvel was the lowest viewed show. Pointing out Echo surpassed that record is a bad thing. Not something to defend Ms Marvel with.
And yes it is the audience rejecting the character. Nobody watched her show and The Marvels was a disaster. The *tiny* amount of people that watched her show and movie (and I’m one of them) thought she was great. But they don’t matter.
Feige would much rather 50m people said “that was ok”, than 5m say “that was amazing”.
Which brings us to the numbers. Wednesday, a show about one character in a family that hasn’t had a movie in over 20 years, has doubled Hawkeyes viewership in a week. And that’s before Marvels name was tainted and using an Avenger to sell the show. The numbers were good. They weren’t great.
As for Ironheart. Go check the streaming data for all new shows on all platforms. A big new show is almost always number 1 when released. It’s not an achievement.
"The numbers were good" is a far cry from falsely hyperbolizing that "nobody" saw it.
Take a step back from the hyperbole and everything I said is still relevant.
None of the new characters made any significant impact, and none of them are included in the cast for Doomsday.
Somebody who doesn't know what the hell he's talking about might say something like...
> There was some pre-production work on it, but there's no space on the schedule since there's only one show a year and we already know what those shows are.
...but we've been told they're aiming for *two* live-action shows a year going forward, not just one, & we only know what the two are for 2026.
The captain America movie that just released picked up threads from eternals and *the Incredible Hulk.* The black sheep movie from 17 years ago. I truly don’t believe you can ever count a story thread out with them.
Hopefully we’ll get one or two more Avengers films before the inevitable Avengers vs X-Men film.
Currently vision quest seems a decent bet because Tommy will be in it and currently Mephisto seems poised to be a big champions player
The introduce supernatural villains for the avengers, for the X-men, for the Thunderbolts, etc. and they slowly build to these supernatural forces being spearheaded by the Lords of Darkness.
We’ve already had Dormammu and Mephisto introduced, and Nightmare was originally supposed to be in Multiverse of Madness. That would only leave a couple to bring in.
And, going this way, we might also see the reintroduction of Ghost Rider, the Hellstroms, and other supernatural oriented characters.
I know this is unlikely, but a man can dream.
He's more of a Gandalf character to Marvel.. what he does influences stories that sometimes take generations to come about.. such as serving Ch'thon by manipulating The High Evolutionary to get The Scarlet Witch on the path to take the Darkhold and begin using it.. because she is the only being powerful enough TO use it to the extent of it's true purpose.. to free Ch'thon from imprisonment (the Darkhold)
Now add in he's the ENTIRE story behind Wendigo, who created the first Ghostrider.
Add in Fan Fei and his corruption from K'un Lun
Morgan Le Fay and the entire Black Knight story
Mys-Tech and Apocalypse
The Darkdoor in Captain America which ties into Red Skull's story
Is a HUGE character in the Norrin-Rad/Shalla-Bal storyline
Could go on and on for days... but the point is.. he's in just about EVERY story in Marvel
He's not a "ooh, yeaaah.. punch him in the face!" character
Jokes aside, I really do expect this to be revisited. Marvel obviously wants to do young avengers/champions, and including Riri in that is a no brainer. I'd be hard pressed to believe they'd bring back Riri without addressing the fact that she brought her dead best friend back to life.
Marvel has proven no loose thread is never gonna come up again. They just released a movie this year that had significant plot threads from the Incredible Hulk, a *seventeen year old movie.* Do not count out their ability to bring things back up.
at this point I'm thinking "Young Avengers" is gonna be a West Coast Avengers D+ series
I'm sure VisionQuest is going to tee something up
for whatever Champions/West Coast Avengers thing they do, they can do a rough take on YA Children's Crusade with Mephisto as the main villain (replacing Doom) trying to get his hands on the Darkholde, Riri as an initial villain on his side that flips (with the power of friendship), has them finding Tommy, and has Wanda resurrected at the end
it would basically be the big crossover conclusion to all those D+ shows
if they slot Thor 4 in it'll probably involve Hercules
the mordo plotline is almost definitely dropped (in a deleted scene for MoM they had Wanda kill him apparently)
if eternals are ever mentioned again it'll be in secret wars and the end of the MCU
... Where?
Riri Williams isn't a super-interesting protagonist imo. And the show was woefully lacking in action. It was fine, although not great... but them Mephisto shows up and suddenly this show is a 9/10.
Theres a reason this is the only mcu series theh reported nothing viewership wise
FTFY
Young Avengers/Champions is still happening (which Riri will be a part of). Mephisto isn’t going anywhere. Feels evident they will resolve it.
You’re overestimating what’s happening to the MCU after SW. It’s literally just F4/Xmen integration.
She figured out how to bring her back on her own
Mordo is a fine option to be manipulated by a bigger bad guy, Shuma perhaps?
Eternals I can’t explain, it was decent, more adult than some others, but maybe it’s a financial reasoning ? Stars cost money, and all that. ( The Blackblade and “monster” marvel titles, should be developed with Ghost Rider, Werewolf, Morbius etc. )
Herc? Meh, Thor is kinda over if we’re talking movies, and shows. He could get his own special season to tell a story or expand the world, but slim chance.
Agatha will be alluded to in Vision Quest.
A second season for her is probably not gonna happen, and that’s a shame. While the actress was awesome and the continuation of the “theme-ing” of each episode was stellar calling back to Wandavision, I am happy with what was given.
X-Men? Yeah that’s how they let the Avengers rest, no west coast avengers, just some second string characters and shows to keep you paying a subscription (not complaining, I’ll do it, I like the shows mostly).
Excalibur, Gold Team, Blue Team, that’s what we have to look forward to. It’s gonna be good.
Imagine all the wonderful things we would have been robbed of if RDJ was so obsessed with the "strength" of his character that and couldn't let any of the other character's shine.